[kgr]

This is follow-up on my question of usage of Lebensohl - Rubinsohl. I will propose my partner to play:
after 1NT-(2X):
- DBL:penalty
- 2Y: weak
- 2NT: xfer to ♣. after opener bids 3♣:
--- Pass: weak with ♣ length
--- 3Y: Invite with length Y
--- 3X: stayman with stopper in X
--- 3NT: stopper in X
3♣, 3♦, 3♥:
- transfer to ♦,♥,♠ (weak or MF)
- Stayman without stop in X if transfer to X
3♠: semi stopper in X (eg Jxx). (I like this one, intersting if opener has Axx, Qx)
3NT: no stopper in X
4♣: renonce X and slem interesse
4♦,4♥: Texas transfer

changes after 1NT-(2♣):
2NT-3♣-3♦: stayman with stopper
3♣: stayman without stopper

=>
- any additional comments welcome!!
- after 1NT-(2X) where 2X shows a 2-suiter:
--- same responses if X is one of the 2 suits (eg DONT)
--- Any proposal for other?? eg Capp, landy?


Thanks,
Koen

[Free]

After 1NT-2♣-? I play following (supposing 2♣ is natural or DONT):

Pass = forcing for 1 round, 0+HCP
Dbl = Stayman (but opener can pass with looooong ♣s)
2♦/♥ = like original system
2♠ = invitational for NT, no stop
2NT = trf ♦
3♣+ = like original system

After 1NT-2♦-?:

Pass = forcing for 1 round, 0+HCP
Dbl = 44+M
2M = weak to play
2NT = Lebensohl (if you rebid 3♦ it's invitational Stayman)
3♣ = GF stayman
3♦/♥ = trf
3♠ = asks for stop in their suit

After 1NT-2M-?:

Pass = pass, nothing to say
Dbl = penalty
2♠ = to play, 4+ card
2NT = Lebensohl (if you rebid 3♦ it's invitational Stayman)
3♣/♦/♥ = trf (trf in M = GF stayman)
3♠ = asks for stop in their suit
4♣ = 5-5 ♣-♦
4♦ = 5-5 ♦-OM

[pclayton]

kgr, on Jul 26 2004, 09:33 AM, said:

This is follow-up on my question of usage of Lebensohl - Rubinsohl. I will propose my partner to play:
after 1NT-(2X):
- DBL:penalty
- 2Y: weak
- 2NT: xfer to ♣. after opener bids 3♣:
--- Pass: weak with ♣ length
--- 3Y: Invite with length Y
--- 3X: stayman with stopper in X
--- 3NT: stopper in X
3♣, 3♦, 3♥:
- transfer to ♦,♥,♠ (weak or MF)
- Stayman without stop in X if transfer to X
3♠: semi stopper in X (eg Jxx). (I like this one, intersting if opener has Axx, Qx)
3NT: no stopper in X
4♣: renonce X and slem interesse
4♦,4♥: Texas transfer

changes after 1NT-(2♣):
2NT-3♣-3♦: stayman with stopper
3♣: stayman without stopper

=>
- any additional comments welcome!!
- after 1NT-(2X) where 2X shows a 2-suiter:
--- same responses if X is one of the 2 suits (eg DONT)
--- Any proposal for other?? eg Capp, landy?


Thanks,
Koen

We play it almost like this, except:

1N - 2♥
Dbl = Penalty if 1N is 14-16; Takeout if its 10-13
2♠ = NF
2N- Relays to 3♣. Shows a weak hand with clubs or another suit. A cue bid after 3♣ denies a stop and looks for 4♠'s.
3♣/3♥ = Transfers to next highest suit and at least INVITATIONAL Values. Opener accepts the transfer with a minimum, although a good minimum with fit should just bid game.
3♦ = Stayman and a stop
3♠ = Generic stopper ask
3N = Promises stop

I guess either method is playable, but I kind of like yours better, as it allows the strong hand to play the hand with a weak one suiter (not clubs).

[pclayton]

Well, guess what, I got to field test the new method last night:

1N (2♣)-2N - (P)
3♣-(3♠)-?

---

1N was 10-13

2♣ was a single suiter (capp)
2N was a transfer to 3♣ - ostensibly starting an invitational sequence

All was great except for the 3♠ call!

Go guess!

I'm going back to my old methods - the jump transfer shows the inv. or better hands.

[kgr]

Instead of 2NT you could have started with 3♦ (xfer to ♥) .

[inquiry]

This is probably not important playing versus a 10-13 NT, but what I play is this...

1NT-(2C)-?

Over 2♣, I use dbl as stayman, and rest of system on. So here, I could bid 2♦ as heart transfer. Now if they bid spades at the two level, you might get your club bid in at the three level. Question becomes, I suspect is if 3♣ would then be forcing, or would you use 2NT here over 2NT as some conventional meaning.

Imagine
1NT-(2c)-2D-(P)
2H=(2S) -?

Ask self, is 3C forcing?
What does 2NT mean? I think 2NT here can not be natural, even oppostie 10=13NT

Ben

[pclayton]

Thats the thing; opposite a 10-13 1N, I have exactly an invite. So, per the prescribed methods (where 2N starts the invitational sequences), I can't bid 3♦.

I like Ben's idea. I could transfer and then bid clubs. 2N I think is best used as good/bad, where I want to compete at the 3 level.

This begs another question. If 2♦ is a transfer to hearts, we really don't need Rubensohl in this sequence. Our normal Keri structure should be on, although I can't see a lot of need for the 3 level splinters here.

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Aug 6 2004, 12:47 PM, said:

Thats the thing; opposite a 10-13 1N, I have exactly an invite. So, per the prescribed methods (where 2N starts the invitational sequences), I can't bid 3♦.

I like Ben's idea. I could transfer and then bid clubs. 2N I think is best used as good/bad, where I want to compete at the 3 level.

This begs another question. If 2♦ is a transfer to hearts, we really don't need Rubensohl in this sequence. Our normal Keri structure should be on, although I can't see a lot of need for the 3 level splinters here.

Most people don't play rubenshol or lebehnshol over a 2♣ overcall. No need.. they play 2any as non-forcing and natrual...

[kgr]

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Most people don't play rubenshol or lebehnshol over a 2♣ overcall. No need.. they play 2any as non-forcing and natrual...

..and certainly not if 2♣ is not natural. (I still like to have to penalty DBL if 2♣ is natural)