[TMorris]

At teams with none vulnerable the auction to you is

3♥ 4♣ 4♥

You have

♠ AJ
♥ xx
♦ KQxxxxx
♣ xx

The opponents do not play weak 2s so the 3♥ bid is more likely than usual to be a 6 card suit.

Your usually reliable partner, generally quite aggressive against pre-empts, is not having a good 2nd half of the match.

So what do you think?

[Codo]

I have one trick and no fit. So what exactly should I bid?

5 club?
5 Diamond or
double?

I pass.

[bluecalm]

5♦ for me. I really hope it's natural.
It looks like they have double fit very often (partner didn't double 3♥ which I think he often would with 4-1-2-6) and no wasted values in ♥ (partner would often bid 3NT with ♥ stopper and 7 clubs) so I think we will have good play in 5♦ on average.

[gwnn]

5♦ wtp?

[TMorris]

Gwynn,

Thanks for your two posts much appreciated

I did ask for the duplicate post to be removed but I guess my request is in a queue.

[gwnn]

you should have made a third one so I could bid 5C, that way I'd have surely got it right once

[Fluffy]

gwnn, on May 7 2010, 02:47 PM, said:

you should have made a third one so I could bid 5C, that way I'd have surely got it right once

pass is the only correct answer you mofo

[matmat]

Double

[Phil]

Double is too deep for me with a 7 card suit. I'll bid 5♦.

The bidding is not over.

[junyi_zhu]

TMorris, on May 7 2010, 11:29 AM, said:

At teams with none vulnerable the auction to you is

3♥ 4♣ 4♥

You have

♠ AJ
♥ xx
♦ KQxxxxx
♣ xx

The opponents do not play weak 2s so the 3♥ bid is more likely than usual to be a 6 card suit.

Your usually reliable partner, generally quite aggressive against pre-empts, is not having a good 2nd half of the match.

So what do you think?

It's hard to say, the 2-2-7-2 shape certainly suggests defense and caution. We play 4C to show C and S. Still, under this convention, we still have problems. It's a matter of guessing how many diamonds your partner holds. If he holds void or stiff, you want to defend. If he holds two or more, you want to play in 5D cause you may either make it or it's not very expensive. Still, it's really a matter of guess. I guess that partner may have a good chance to hold two diamonds, so I'll bid 5D.

[aguahombre]

4N would be two places to play (like a Snap --long diamonds with club tolerance)? Just making up a bid to fit my hand Nobody else on these fora would do that.

[TMorris]

Thanks all

Out of interest partner had

♠ xxxx
♥ x
♦ Ax
♣ AQJxxx

I wouldn't bid 4 ♣ with this but I am conservative & partner is aggressive.

♣ K was offside of course so in clubs you can only make 4 and the 4 ♥ bidder had KQ10xx of ♠ so his partner had to guess the Jack ♠ for one off (which he did not so they were 2 off).

I doubled in the hope that if 5 ♣ or 5 ♦ made we would get enough compensation, luckily for me diamonds were 7222 around the table so 4 ♥ is always one off

[bluecalm]

I think you partner had clear double with that hand.

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4N would be two places to play (like a Snap --long diamonds with club tolerance)? Just making up a bid to fit my hand  Nobody else on these fora would do that.

I think 4NT here should be a slam try in ♣.

[aguahombre]

I keep attempting humor. Probably a bad idea.

[OleBerg]

aguahombre, on May 7 2010, 07:31 PM, said:

4N would be two places to play (like a Snap --long diamonds with club tolerance)? Just making up a bid to fit my hand Nobody else on these fora would do that.

I wouldn't, but I agree with the meaning of the bid.

[aguahombre]

After I saw the 4C bidder's hand, forget everything. The thread lost meaning.

[bluecalm]

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I keep attempting humor. Probably a bad idea.

While I didn't take it seriously someone did
I just thought it would be useful to give some possible meaning of 4NT here.

[dake50]

aquahombre nailed this one.
Both in his 4NT= D-long and C-tolerable theoretic.
And in abhor 4C overcall.

[TMorris]

Well sometimes my partner (and even shock horror on occasion myself) are not playing well and make bids that are not the best. Nonetheless we all have to deal with them & being able to do so is a necessary skill. I clearly stated in the original thread that partner was not playing that well so this could be allowed for.

Maybe you have partners that don't make mistakes.

[aguahombre]

Oh, we all make mistakes. But the theory about what to do when the auction goes this way is based on the reasonableness of the previous auction. We don't expect to recover from the mistake --because we don't assume one was made.

I guess what I should have said, instead of bad-mouthing the bid, was "Show me the hand partner really had during the auction -- not that one, and we will see how our choice worked out."