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#1 User is offline   gerry 

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Posted 2010-May-06, 16:28

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(5♦)-p-(p)-?


I was east. Double of 5♦ would have been takeout for this pair.

To take action seems a bit out there at first sight but there seems to me to be a case for double.

I know I'm mad but is this a manifestation of that madness or just a good call...?
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Posted 2010-May-06, 16:39

manifestation of madness
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Posted 2010-May-06, 16:44

I think if you double you will almost always go minus unless partner sits. At least if you pass, sometimes you go plus.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 16:59

Just pass please.

Lotta 5m competition lately.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 17:10

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Posted 2010-May-06, 17:19

Wouldn't be the maddest call I've ever seen. But it IS mostly in hopes of partner leaving it in, not of us finding a decent contract, if you try it.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 17:25

If double is specifically defined as takeout, rather than values/transferrable values/etc, I think it is worth considering, the goal would seem to be getting partner to bid his long suit and find a cheap w/r save. However, if partner has no long suit there could be trouble, or the save might be a phantom, or not so cheap.

If you double and it goes Pass, Pass, Redouble, do you pass or bid 5♥?
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Posted 2010-May-06, 17:40

So what do you do when you have a real takeout double?

Do you vary the speed of your use of the bidding card, or stand on the table?

When players bid with no thought for what partner expects, or when their bidding becomes essentially random, their partners are reduced to tossing coins.

Pass....and, if you feel the need to say something (and you shouldn't) you can always say 'I almost bid'
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Posted 2010-May-06, 17:49

655321, on May 6 2010, 11:25 PM, said:

If you double and it goes Pass, Pass, Redouble, do you pass or bid 5♥?

I am not very used of redoubles, when I move to top bridge from time to time I find more of them, but at my usual level they are almost non existant. However wtf can possible RHO have for redouble? to be almsot sure he makes 11 tricks he had a more than decent shot at 12 tricks the round before. But again, I am not very experienced on this matter so maybe this is just wrong.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 18:00

mikeh, on May 6 2010, 07:40 PM, said:

So what do you do when you have a real takeout double?

Do you vary the speed of your use of the bidding card, or stand on the table?

The mikeh who routinely accuses people whose bids he disagrees with of not trusting their partners, we know.
The mikeh who accuses people whose bids he disagrees with of being cheats is new, and I can't help thinking, not an improvement.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 18:42

Numeric one, to say he .is accusing people of cheating is drawing an extremely long bow. Silly comment!

By the way a pass is totally obvious.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 20:05

655321, on May 6 2010, 07:00 PM, said:

mikeh, on May 6 2010, 07:40 PM, said:

So what do you do when you have a real takeout double?

Do you vary the speed of your use of the bidding card, or stand on the table?

The mikeh who routinely accuses people whose bids he disagrees with of not trusting their partners, we know.
The mikeh who accuses people whose bids he disagrees with of being cheats is new, and I can't help thinking, not an improvement.

I am as guilty as anyone else of reading things into posts that weren't there. But not to this extent. Are you so thick that you need emoticons on everything????

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Posted 2010-May-06, 20:22

No, not interested in trading insults.

And yes, I was thick enough to think that your post implied that anyone considering making a (takeout) double here would necessarily also use black magic.

But since I was wrong I am happy to apologise. Sorry.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 21:59

I'm certifiable and still pass.

Not interested in the look on pards face when she pulls to a 4-3 spade fit with a good hand that would have beat 5d.

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Posted 2010-May-07, 02:27

I pass
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Posted 2010-May-07, 06:07

I am pleased with my defensive contributions to defend 5D. If pass does not suggest a C lead I pass.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 07:19

gerry, on May 6 2010, 05:28 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(5♦)-p-(p)-?


I was east. Double of 5♦ would have been takeout for this pair.

To take action seems a bit out there at first sight but there seems to me to be a case for double.

I know I'm mad but is this a manifestation of that madness or just a good call...?

Partner's inability to make an X is a bad sign for making anything at the 5 level or higher and while I have 1.5 quick tricks I am inclined to pass and try to beat it.
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