[quiddity]

Scoring: IMP

1♠ P 2♥ P
2♠ P ?

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2/1, 2S does not show extra length, 3m by opener would have shown extras.

What do you bid, and how do you follow up after opener rebids 3S or 3N?

[ArtK78]

I bid 3♦ and then 4♥. If partner cannot act over 4♥ (or raise diamonds when I bid them), we are probably high enough.

[jjbrr]

3♦

4♥ after 3♠, pass after 3NT

[ONEferBRID]

quiddity, on Apr 23 2010, 03:35 PM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: ???? Scoring: IMP

♠   ♥ AQJTxx ♦ AJTx ♣ xxx

1♠ P 2♥ P 2♠ P ?

2/1, 2S does not show extra length, 3m by opener would have shown extras. 

What do you bid, and how do you follow up after opener rebids 3S or 3N?

3♥ first, then 4♦ over Opener's next suit bid ( if he doesn't bid game ).
If he bids 4H or 3NT , I'll pass.

Bidding 6-6-4 shows a weaker hand than the 6-4-6 sequence .

[peachy]

3D. Next bid hearts again unless partner rebid 3NT. Partner has not denied diamonds and 6D is possible if he has them, even in a minimum hand that had to bid the default 2S.

[mike777]

ya 3d now....worry later.

[ArtK78]

ONEferBRID, on Apr 23 2010, 04:57 PM, said:

quiddity, on Apr 23 2010, 03:35 PM, said:

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AQJTxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> AJTx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> xxx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> 1♠ P 2♥ P
2♠ P ? </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

2/1, 2S does not show extra length, 3m by opener would have shown extras. 

What do you bid, and how do you follow up after opener rebids 3S or 3N?

3♥ first, then 4♦ over Opener's next suit bid ( if he doesn't bid game ).
If he bids 4H or 3NT , I'll pass.

Bidding 6-6-4 shows a weaker hand than the 6-4-6 sequence .

I agree that bidding hearts then hearts then diamonds shows a weaker hand than hearts then diamonds then hearts.

But I don't have a weaker hand.

[Jlall]

If you bid 3H then 4D that will be a cuebid (for hearts over 3N, for spades over 3S).

[whereagles]

2NT. If pard now bids:

3♣ --> he has a min 5-4 or 6-4. 3NT now
3♦ --> as above, with diamonds. Now 3♥ and over 3♠ (shows club problems), 4♥.
3♥ --> raise to 4.
3♠ --> pard probably has 6133 or 7123. 3NT now.
3NT --> pass.

[gwnn]

nuno what hand will you bid 3D with?

[quiddity]

Jlall, on Apr 24 2010, 01:56 AM, said:

If you bid 3H then 4D that will be a cuebid (for hearts over 3N, for spades over 3S).

How universal is this? My partner argues very strongly for natural here (if it can be natural, it is).

[Bbradley62]

jjbrr, on Apr 23 2010, 04:50 PM, said:

3♦

4♥ after 3♠, pass after 3NT

Agreed

[whereagles]

gwnn, on Apr 24 2010, 09:00 AM, said:

nuno what hand will you bid 3D with?

5-4 with 4 diamonds and a min (~11-14)

[gwnn]

interesting. Do you have a reason why you do this? You usually have reasons for everything even if I don't agree with them..

[whereagles]

Yes. Since we're in a forcing auction, I prefer to bid 2♠ on a minimum hand instead of supporting pard's suit. This way he'll know when I support directly, I'll have extras.

[Phil]

3♦ / 4♥.

You do realize partner can have five diamonds right?

I would certainly take 1♠ - 2♥ - 2♠ - 3♥ - 3♠ / 3N - 4 minor as definitely some sort of cuebid. It isn't universal, but it is certainly common sense.

[Trinidad]

quiddity, on Apr 24 2010, 06:08 PM, said:

Jlall, on Apr 24 2010, 01:56 AM, said:

If you bid 3H then 4D that will be a cuebid (for hearts over 3N, for spades over 3S).

How universal is this? My partner argues very strongly for natural here (if it can be natural, it is).

The logic is that it can't be natural since you denied diamonds when you didn't bid them at the three level...

This is really a chicken-egg problem:

o If you agree that you do not skip suits that you could bid, then bypassing a suit and then bidding it cannot show the suit anymore since you have already denied it.

o If you agree to skip over suits (e.g. to distinguish in strength), then the 4♦ bid can be natural (and according to your partner's rule has to be).

Rik

[Free]

3♦ seems pretty obvious, partner can show a 2 card ♥ support, he can support ♦, he can rebid his own suit (in which case I'll rebid 4♥) and he can rebid 3NT with a ♣ stopper and no other bid (in which case I'll pass)

[softcoder]

quiddity, on Apr 24 2010, 12:08 PM, said:

Jlall, on Apr 24 2010, 01:56 AM, said:

If you bid 3H then 4D that will be a cuebid (for hearts over 3N, for spades over 3S).

How universal is this? My partner argues very strongly for natural here (if it can be natural, it is).

My pard and I have a very hard rule; there is no cue bidding, (or RKC) until a fit has been established, and both partner's know it.
So if it goes 3H-3S-4D that is natural. If it goes 3H-3NT-4D that too is natural.
There are some rare exceptions, as when one partner can unilaterally set trumps (e.g. 2C-2D-3M ) but they are rare.