[olliebol]

Doe anyone know what the double promises in the ultimate club system when it goes partner 1 club ,1sp overcall (promising spades and clubs) , and you double that.

game forcing? 5 plus points ? i cant find a system card for this system on the net.
tx in advance!

[olien]

You might check www.bridgewithdan.com/systems
Daniel Neill runs this website and has a copy of Ultimate Club notes. You might find something there.

[olliebol]

tx will try

[PrecisionL]

The book only shows single suited interference:

1♣ (1♠):

P = Negative / no further relays
X = Like 1♠, now 1NT Relays as usual / AK AQQ or KKQ
1NT = If balanced, 3 controls (min) or 4 controls (max), unbalanced = 4 controls
2♣ = 3 Controls (Unchanged)
2♦+ = Unchanged

X then 2NT = extra controls, balanced

[olien]

Well, it's the only thing I could think of. As for my own opinion, since 1♠ shows ♠, I don't think that you should treat it any differently than a natural 1♠ bid.

[PrecisionL]

Ollie, What exactly is your question? Ultimate uses control showing responses, however, that approach is now out of favor for strong Club Systems.

Ultimate Club uses natural bidding if the interference is 1NT or higher.

1♣ (1NT):

P = Negative
X = At least semi-balanced
2X = Natural
2NT = Minors
3♣ + M
3X = Exclusion Bid (Neither ♣ or the bid suit)
3NT = Natural
4X = Natural, Slam interest

[olliebol]

Well im trying to find out if the double after: 1club(1spade) d is game forcing or not if assuming the double promises points.

I was a little surprised to see a player ( Ricco van Prooyen playing with Louk Verhees )raise to six diamonds after 1cl (1sp) d (4 sp) 5 d (p) ?

[PrecisionL]

olliebol, on Apr 26 2010, 08:30 PM, said:

Well im trying to find out if the double after: 1club(1spade) d is game forcing or not if assuming the double promises points.

1♣ (1♠) X:

Is a Mild positive response, 7-8 AKQ points: AQQ, KKQ, AK which would be G.F. since 1♣ promises 17+ hcp unbalanced and 18+ hcp if balanced.

[olliebol]

tx!