[frouu]

Scoring: IMP

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Team match,int/adv players. West opens 2♥, partner doubles.. eventually I ask keycard for spades, partner shows 2 aces but no queen. Do you bid the slam?

full bidding:
2♥-X-p-3♥*
X-p-p-3♠
p-4♠-p-4nt
p-5♥-p-?

[jjbrr]

yes, partner doesnt have the ♥A, but he does have the ♦A ducy?

[quiddity]

I'm confused by the bidding. What was 3H? You never showed diamonds?

[kfay]

Finesse the Q, wtp?

[frouu]

quiddity, on Apr 27 2010, 03:40 PM, said:

I'm confused by the bidding. What was 3H? You never showed diamonds?

I meant 3H as good hand.. I didn't want to settle for game.
How do you bid this without any special gadgets? (pickup partner)
what if you agreed lebensohl over weak 2? thanks.

[frouu]

kfay, on Apr 27 2010, 03:41 PM, said:

Finesse the Q, wtp?

Exactly that's what I thought. I bid the slam. partner shows up 3 spades, 9xx. LHO cashes Ace of hearts returns something. I finessed the Q and lost. LHO had ♠Qx I wasn't sure I should bid slam knowing missing an ace and trump queen in this situation, I wanted to check..... if partner had 4 spades, do you still finesse?

[jjbrr]

frouu, on Apr 27 2010, 02:05 PM, said:

kfay, on Apr 27 2010, 03:41 PM, said:

Finesse the Q, wtp?

Exactly that's what I thought. I bid the slam. partner shows up 3 spades, 9xx. LHO cashes Ace of hearts returns something. I finessed the Q and lost. LHO had ♠Qx I wasn't sure I should bid slam knowing missing an ace and trump queen in this situation, I wanted to check..... if partner had 4 spades, do you still finesse?

Could you give us partner's hand?

So far we can estimate he has ♠9xx ♥length ♦A and some spots ♣A and some cards. Doesn't seem like a great takeout double to me and it doesn't seem like he had a pass of 3♥x

[frouu]

jjbrr, on Apr 27 2010, 04:40 PM, said:

frouu, on Apr 27 2010, 02:05 PM, said:

kfay, on Apr 27 2010, 03:41 PM, said:

Finesse the Q, wtp?

Exactly that's what I thought. I bid the slam. partner shows up 3 spades, 9xx. LHO cashes Ace of hearts returns something. I finessed the Q and lost. LHO had ♠Qx I wasn't sure I should bid slam knowing missing an ace and trump queen in this situation, I wanted to check..... if partner had 4 spades, do you still finesse?

Could you give us partner's hand?

So far we can estimate he has ♠9xx ♥length ♦A and some cards ♣A and some cards. Doesn't seem like a great takeout double to me and it doesn't seem like he had a pass of 3♥x

partner had 964 , K94, AT3, AKQ7 .
yes it is not a great double. initial 2nt better?

[jjbrr]

I think so.

But anyway, 6♦ is sort of a sexy contract.

[pooltuna]

frouu, on Apr 27 2010, 02:33 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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Team match,int/adv players. West opens 2♥, partner doubles.. eventually I ask keycard for spades, partner shows 2 aces but no queen. Do you bid the slam?

full bidding:
2♥-X-p-3♥*
X-p-p-3♠
p-4♠-p-4nt
p-5♥-p-?

yes partner may/probably have/has 4♠s even so I will be finessing RHO for the Q which rates to be odds on

[quiddity]

frouu, on Apr 27 2010, 02:53 PM, said:

quiddity, on Apr 27 2010, 03:40 PM, said:

I'm confused by the bidding.  What was 3H?  You never showed diamonds?

I meant 3H as good hand.. I didn't want to settle for game.
How do you bid this without any special gadgets? (pickup partner)
what if you agreed lebensohl over weak 2? thanks.

I think your partner should open 2NT instead of doubling. The guarded king of the preemptor's suit is a strong indicator for NT, and the terrible holding in the other major is another strong indicator. I don't see any reason for doubling.

Likewise, after the cuebid is doubled, I think partner should bid 3NT. That cuebid is usually a stopper ask - the pass would tend to show doubt about the final contract, maybe a shaky stopper or maybe 4-cards in the other major. With this hand, there is no doubt.

Given the actual bidding 6S seems like a reasonable shot.

[kfay]

Well if I knew partner only had 3 spades I wouldn't have wanted to bid it... looking at my hand it sure seems like he will have 4 spades on the average, although I obviously haven't calculated that.

That's how it goes I guess.

[jjbrr]

kfay, on Apr 27 2010, 08:51 PM, said:

Well if I knew partner only had 3 spades I wouldn't have wanted to bid it... looking at my hand it sure seems like he will have 4 spades on the average, although I obviously haven't calculated that.

That's how it goes I guess.

I definitely think partner's bidding strongly suggests 4♠.

9xx is LOL wtf on this auction.

[Codo]

I won't blame partner. He had an ugly descission to make and made the wrong one. I bet that if you make a bidding contest here with partners hand, at least 30 % will double.

Later on: You missed the great diamond slam and 6 NT. Hard to bid with no sufficent methods.

And in the play, you made anything right. Bad luck to lose a slam to Qx behind AKjxx.

So basically: A lot of bad luck. No blame.

[655321]

I also don't like your partner's double (2NT instead), and agree with the posters who think his bidding 4♠ (and not bidding 3NT) was just horrible.