[pooltuna]

Red vs White, IMPS
Do any of you actually pass holding

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after hearing the auction?

1♥-1♠; 2♦-3♠


EDIT: playing SAYC

[gwnn]

if partner's 3s is non forcing, I will pass it. partner knows about the vulnerable game bonus and he honestly expects us to pass his invitations every once in a while.

BTW the fact that I replied should not be interpreted as a claim of equality (or comparability) with Meckwell.

[bluecalm]

I consider it very close. My first instinct was "4♠" but after reviewing some generated hands there aren't many good games opposite cards partner don't go to 4♠ himself.
Very crude simulation attempt (exactly 6♠, 11-12hcp) gave 41% making for 4♠ but some of those hands are like 6-5 or 6♠ -4♦ or other freaks which are easy 4♠ from responder.

Overall: very close but still 4♠. I am not convinced though.

(I assume we open all 11's in this problem ?)
Also my style is to be very tight when inviting and looser when bidding games.
I am in general not very eager to play on 3 level so I am used to facing good hands if partner bid 3♠ here.

[olliebol]

If it is invitational i still would be reluctant to pass with my clean hand so yeah 4 spades it is, also because this sequence is bad for gf hands with spades who must go through 4rth suit. Its forcing in most serious partnerships.

[bid_em_up]

The hand is an obvious misfit and we are minimum.

Pass seems clear to me.

[ONEferBRID]

Someone posted ( another board ) quoting last December's Bridge World :

1H - 1S
2D - 2S! = GF for Meckwell

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The author only assumed the following was invitational:
1H - 1S
2D - 3S jump ( 10-12 )

[gwnn]

With 12 and a 6 card suit I force to game all day long, with 11 and good spades I force to game all day long.

[aguahombre]

My partner's invite will have a good 11 or 12 on this auction, since my 2D rebid did not suggest I have any spades at all (as opposed to a 1NT rebid where she could be assured of an 8-9 card fit).

Even so, I prefer pass. Pard does not fit my hearts. If my red suit honor disbursement were more in diamonds, this hand might become closer to a 4S bid, but I still would pass.

(edit) SAYC still needs to discuss whether 3S is forcing. I assume that in OP's SAYC it is not, or the question about passing would be "Will you violate your agreements and pass?"

[bluecalm]

Quote

Someone posted ( another board ) quoting last December's Bridge World :

1H - 1S
2D - 2S! = GF for Meckwell

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The author only assumed the following was invitational:
1H - 1S
2D - 3S jump ( 12-12 )

Yes, they play that all NF hands with 6+♠ are in 1♥ - 2♠.
I assume this situation is the same as in standard though.
As MR opens very light I wouldn't be surprised to see many 12's for 3♠ here.

[cherdanno]

bluecalm, on May 1 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

Quote

Someone posted ( another board ) quoting last December's Bridge World :

1H - 1S
2D - 2S! = GF for Meckwell

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The author only assumed the following was invitational:
1H - 1S
2D - 3S jump ( 12-12 )

Yes, they play that all NF hands with 6+♠ are in 1♥ - 2♠.
I assume this situation is the same as in standard though.
As MR opens very light I wouldn't be surprised to see many 12's for 3♠ here.

They stole that from JDONN!!!

[hanp]

I pass.

[ONEferBRID]

Here is that Meckwell hand from the Dec Bridge world.
Note first that the opening was " on the smell of an oily rag" :

Q
KT653
A87652
7

AKJT98654
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9
A94

1H - 1S
2D - 2S! ( GF )
etc...

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It was also assumed that the sequence :
1H - 2S-jump = ~ 5 - 9 ( "normally this would be 5-7 ... 9 seems a little high" )

[aguahombre]

Did they really miss 3N?

[rogerclee]

KJTxx when your partner has at most 2 hearts is really bad.

[jjbrr]

anything but pass is terrible

[Jlall]

rogerclee, on May 1 2010, 03:07 PM, said:

KJTxx when your partner has at most 2 hearts is really bad.

Yep if it was ace empty of hearts and KJT of clubs it would be a lot better.

[pooltuna]

Jlall, on May 1 2010, 03:31 PM, said:

rogerclee, on May 1 2010, 03:07 PM, said:

KJTxx when your partner has at most 2 hearts is really bad.

Yep if it was ace empty of hearts and KJT of clubs it would be a lot better.

my "solution"

As you can see I did not think it was worth a 4♠ call. Of course I could not imagine partner'shand

[Phil]

I don't understand the point at all of this thread.

[whereagles]

it's red at imps. I'm bidding first and think about it later.

[aguahombre]

After seeing what the 3S rebidder held, it is obvious there is no point to the thread.

Exception: to decide in advance whether 3S is forcing or not.