[Phil]

We'd all bid a Forcing 1N over 1♥ with: xxxx, void, xxx, KQ9xxx right?

What if the spades were better? Say, Kxxx. What about five little - (and 2♦?).

Thanks.

[Jlall]

Phil, on Apr 18 2010, 10:11 PM, said:

We'd all bid a Forcing 1N over 1♥ with: xxxx, void, xxx, KQ9xxx right?

no

[aguahombre]

Opener with 4 5 3 1 will rebid 2D after a forcing NT. My choice would be 1S. At least if he still rebids 2D he will have 4 of them. Second choice would be pass.

[spotlight7]

Hi:

Kaplan Inversion.

1S* and partner will rebid 1NT* to find our 4-4 spade fit

or bid something else to move us forward.

Regards,
Robert

[fromageGB]

With this hand I pass quickly.
With your alternatives : an extra small spade - pass again; a King of spades then 1S. I prefer Kaplan inversion, but natural if not.

[hanp]

Phil you will never be a shubi but keep trying.

[helene_t]

What's the problem with 1♠?

If you want to sign off in 2♦ over a 2♣ rebid, I can understand. That's the only reason for ever bidding 1NT with a 4-card spades I could think of.

[Free]

Phil, on Apr 19 2010, 04:11 AM, said:

We'd all bid a Forcing 1N over 1♥ with: xxxx, void, xxx, KQ9xxx right?

What if the spades were better? Say, Kxxx. What about five little - (and 2♦?).

Thanks.

We never have a unanimous poll, so why would everyone do the same here?

I'd just bid 1♠ or pass btw.

[Echognome]

My first thought was 1N. Then I realized that we are content enough to get out in 2♦, thus we are only left with one problem bid... 2♥. Against that, if partner was about to bid 1NT over our 1♠ bid, then we have lost the ability to play in clubs by bidding 1NT ourselves.

However, change the hand to xxxx x xx KQxxxx and now we have problems over both 2♦ and 2♥. Then I would bid 1NT.

[pooltuna]

Phil, on Apr 18 2010, 10:11 PM, said:

We'd all bid a Forcing 1N over 1♥ with: xxxx, void, xxx, KQ9xxx right?

What if the spades were better? Say, Kxxx. What about five little - (and 2♦?).

Thanks.

With the ♠ holding shown I would call a F1NT. With ♠Kxxx I would call 1♠

[jdonn]

I bid 1♠, the only thing better would be 1♠ showing a forcing notrump.

Well maybe not the only thing (NF 2♣ response?) but the only thing I ever play.

[dealmegold]

Echognome, on Apr 26 2010, 11:54 AM, said:

My first thought was 1N. Then I realized that we are content enough to get out in 2♦, thus we are only left with one problem bid... 2♥. Against that, if partner was about to bid 1NT over our 1♠ bid, then we have lost the ability to play in clubs by bidding 1NT ourselves.

However, change the hand to xxxx x xx KQxxxx and now we have problems over both 2♦ and 2♥. Then I would bid 1NT.

What are these problems over 2♦ and 2♥ (he asks naively...)?

Over either of those rebids by opener, I'd let opener play 2♥. Maybe a forcing 1NT allows me to plump for 3♣ without that being FSF, but I can't necessarily see that being a better contract (I should probably have a better suit).

I'd still rather give opener the chance to play 1NT opposite those handy looking clubs.

[whereagles]

I'd try 1NT + 3♣.