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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2010-April-09, 02:46

Hi all,

I have a small question here, which may develop to a 2-part inquiry (no pun intended :()

Imp teams, all experts, you hold (NV vs NV)

♠ Jxxx
♥ --
♦ Axxx
♣ AKxxx

RHO you LHO pard
pass 1♣ . 1♥ . pass
2♦ ....??

Contextual inferences:
- If pard had bid 1♠ over 1♥, it would have shown 4+ cards.
- If pard had doubled over 1♥, it would have shown around 7-11 hcp, no 4 spades, no heart stop.
- RHO had a weak 2 in diamonds available.
- If you double now, it's take out.

Your bid and why?
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Posted 2010-April-09, 03:01

Pass
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Posted 2010-April-09, 03:14

when i don't have nothing i don't bid nothing
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Posted 2010-April-09, 04:54

partner has the most obvious trap pass ever, bid 2♠ and you will find yourself in a hopeless game in a flash.

Let him double 2♦ and then we can bid 2♠ or 3♣
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Posted 2010-April-09, 05:40

Fluffy, on Apr 9 2010, 11:54 AM, said:

partner has the most obvious trap pass ever, bid 2♠ and you will find yourself in a hopeless game in a flash.

Let him double 2♦ and then we can bid 2♠ or 3♣

If partner doubles 2♦, I'm going to defend. AK-A, four trumps, void opposite his length, RHO quite likely to have only five diamonds - what more could you ask for?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-April-09, 07:24

Jlall, on Apr 9 2010, 04:01 AM, said:

Pass

...because you have a minimal hand with no obvious fit and you have a partner ;)
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Posted 2010-April-09, 08:13

Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.
OK
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Posted 2010-April-09, 10:14

Pass? If partner has a stronger trap pass he will act again. If partner has a weak trap pass I sure don't want to act now!

I hope part 2 is more difficult :)
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Posted 2010-April-09, 10:26

Pass. You have nothing useful to say now.
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Posted 2010-April-09, 10:28

I wonder how it would sound in a job interview to admit that my primary source of pop culture knowledge is a card game forum...
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Posted 2010-April-09, 10:39

gwnn, on Apr 9 2010, 11:28 AM, said:

I wonder how it would sound in a job interview to admit that my primary source of  pop culture knowledge is a card game forum...

Depends if your potential boss is a bridge player. :)

Easy pass in tempo. More interesting if it proceeds, 2♥, pass, pass to me.
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Posted 2010-April-09, 13:41

maybe one of the very, very few unanimous decisions so far. I can't imagine bidding here. But there's usually a mastermind out there who wants to make all of the partnership decisions, so maybe we'll hear from a bidder soon.
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Posted 2010-April-09, 16:56

Playing my own normal methods, I'd double as 1♠ over 1♥ by partner would require 5, but playing these methods, not sure (I'm unfamiliar with them as I don't play short club).

Presumably at this point I could be looking at a weak no trump with only 2 clubs, so X would at least indicate I have clubs and spades, I'm not sure what partner does with 4 clubs over 1♣-(1♥).
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Posted 2010-April-09, 18:41

gnasher, on Apr 9 2010, 11:40 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Apr 9 2010, 11:54 AM, said:

partner has the most obvious trap pass ever, bid 2♠ and you will find yourself in a hopeless game in a flash.

Let him double 2♦ and then we can bid 2♠ or 3♣

If partner doubles 2♦, I'm going to defend. AK-A, four trumps, void opposite his length, RHO quite likely to have only five diamonds - what more could you ask for?

having to ruff partner's heart tricks didn't make me particurarilly happy, but after rethiking it a bit I think pass is better, after all the worst that can happen is -180.
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Posted 2010-April-10, 04:08

Thanks all. Hand were

Scoring: IMP

Pard was South and this was more of a sanity check for him (he failed to pass the test lol), given he insisted he must double 2♦ for take-out.

East South West North
pass . 1♣ .. 1♥ .. pass
2♦ .... dbl . pass ... 2♥
dbl ... 2♠ . pass ... 2NT
dbl (end)

I told him double was way too risky on such a minimum hand due to the misfit warnings: I, North, probably won't have 4 spades and I am short in diamonds and clubs, so I rate to be either broke or have a bucketload of hearts.

I could have passed 2♠ (probably makes), but I thought pard had at least 14 hcp or so, given he butted-in on a misfit. Little I knew... Anyway, if you're interested, 2NT drifted 2 down. Had he passed 2♦, we'd have played it. Not sure if it makes or not, but sure is better than -300.

So pard is diagnosed "chronic overbidditis", a diagnosis which was confirmed later on, when he opened a 9-11 NT on 8 hcp and got too happy on a slam auction, only to find out the level 5 wasn't safe :)

We got a rematch Sunday. Wish me luck :rolleyes:
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