leaping michaels poll 2D pass 2H 4C
#2
Posted 2010-April-15, 05:52
George Carlin
#3
Posted 2010-April-15, 06:08
#4
Posted 2010-April-15, 06:14
I'm a bit stunned that, among those regularly encountering the multi, this is not a settled item. When I first started (with all too brief preparation) defending against the multi 2[De] we had the auction (2[De])-4♦-pass-4♥. After the ensuing disaster I convinced partner that my 4♥ bid was definitely not an insistence that we play in "my heart suit" rather than his spades. I don't see why it should be different on the posted auction.
To me (once again I have limited experience) the issue, when the leap is to 4♣ is this: With two red suits available, presumably a bid in one of them is real, a bid in the other asks for the the major. I would expect a pairt to play (2♦)-4♣-(pass)-4♥ and
(2♦)-pass-(2♥)- 4♣-(pass)-4♥ the same way.
#5
Posted 2010-April-15, 06:51
2♦-p-2♥-p
2♠-p-3♠-4♣
should still be non leaping michaels because you didn't bid 3♣ earlier.
Of course if RHO bids 4♠ we will be screwed but at least the rest of the time we know something!
George Carlin
#6
Posted 2010-April-15, 06:54
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#7
Posted 2010-April-15, 08:00
Cascade, on Apr 15 2010, 07:54 AM, said:
Yes - strongly prefer specific major.
You simply can't play LM without discussing all the sequences it applies in as well as setting what suits are shown.
This auction: by discussion.
#8
Posted 2010-April-15, 08:35
Which continuation do you fear?
Roland
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#9
Posted 2010-April-15, 08:52
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IMO, The problem is that if indeed somehow LHO's suit is your major, you might be better off defending(doubled or undoubled)
#10
Posted 2010-April-15, 08:59
The partnerships where we haven't discussed it, we don't make the bid.
#11
Posted 2010-April-15, 09:01
#13
Posted 2010-April-15, 09:05
helene_t, on Apr 15 2010, 08:31 PM, said:
True but in that case we don't have an option. We have to act because it's very likely the auction might die in 2H. Here we do!
#14
Posted 2010-April-15, 09:11
gwnn, on Apr 15 2010, 06:52 AM, said:
Gwnn gets it.
Just like in the other multi thread when we hold xx, AKJxxxx, Axx, x we are happy to defend 3♥ (so 4♥ there is ♠+ a minor, except for Josh he plays NLM (as do I) so he'd bid 4♣, and a direct 4♥ shows the minors.
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#15
Posted 2010-April-15, 13:06
655321, on Apr 15 2010, 09:59 AM, said:
The partnerships where we haven't discussed it, we don't make the bid.
Then, if opener had the spade suit, we have denied ourselves the chance to double them. I am not sure Leaping Michaels is even on - should not be - in this sequence and if it is, how to play it without depriving our side some opportunities.
#16
Posted 2010-April-15, 13:32
Strongly prefer C+M. I don't think C+ambiguous major is even problematic, it's obv worse with D+M 4D, but even that is not that hard to deal with imo.
#17
Posted 2010-April-15, 13:34
#18
Posted 2010-April-15, 13:49
#19
Posted 2010-April-15, 14:05
Admitedly these are low frequency but they are a big problem when they occur.
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#20
Posted 2010-April-15, 14:30
http://www.acbl.org/...=10355&RID=9939
( 2D! ) - p - ( 2H! ) - 4C! = strong ( 5/5)+ Cl and a major( either one )
( p ) - ??
4D! = asks for Major
And if the Leaping Michaels in 4th was 4D! = ( 5/5)+ Diam and a major,
then 4H is pass-or-correct to 4S.