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#1 User is offline   Ant590 

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Posted 2010-April-07, 04:29

Hey y'all,

This might be one of those "depends on your agreements" ones, but here goes anyway...

Scoring: IMP


You deal and open 1♦ (showing 5 unless 4441 black singleton).

1♦ -- (1♥) -- 3♠* -- (4♥)
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* GF fit jump, 2/4 or 3/5 top spade honours in a 5+ suit, at least 4 card diamond support.

2♠ would also have been a fit jump but could be more-lead oriented. 3♠ declares it's our hand and sets up a FP...

Which action do you choose?
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Posted 2010-April-07, 04:38

4♥ is a transfer to 4♠, or something. Both sides appear to have monster 2-suit fits. Am I really going to pass and sit for pard's double or pass and pull, presumably showing extras?

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Posted 2010-April-07, 04:42

I would show m partner the double fit and this has nothing to do with agreements.

What else?
Double with a double fit and zero sure defensive trick?
Pass and play 5 diamond- what partner will often bid after I have shown no fit in spades?

Sorry, I see no real problem so far.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 04:51

4S.

WTP, sry you have a spade fit, hence a double fit, and you dont want to invite
slam, so 4S it is.

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Posted 2010-April-07, 07:41

This is an easy 4♠ bid. Double game swings are bad.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 08:20

mikegill, on Apr 7 2010, 07:41 AM, said:

This is an easy 4♠ bid.

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OK
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Posted 2010-April-07, 09:22

I don't understand the problem. Would anyone in their right mind defend? And since pass and pull traditionally shows extras, passing is idiotic. So we have the world's easiest 4♠ bid.....happy that the bidding has justified our horrible (but unavoidable) opening bid.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 11:08

Yep 4S, they are very likely to make and if they're down somehow then you are very likely to make.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 11:17

Since we established GF, FP would apply by my agreements. 4S is clear. Passing and and then pulling would show a bigger/better hand that is suitable for both offense and defense. This hand is way better for offence than defence with the known doublefit. I wouldn't even care whether 4H makes or goes down.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 11:38

Clear 4♠ for me. With no aces this doesn't seem like the time to pass and pull. Hopefully PD can now be involved in making the correct decision over 5♥
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Posted 2010-April-07, 11:39

FP should deny a spade fit (unless you are going to slam try or something). Otherwise partner must always bid 4♠ if he is going to pull when you pass and you lose all definition in his bid.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 11:42

4♠

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