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I don't understand. If you want them to employ their system as often as possible why do you want to open a preempt?
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Posted 2010-April-06, 13:32
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-April-06, 13:45
kenberg, on Apr 6 2010, 06:15 PM, said:
But you haven't, I think, said what 1H-(X) is.
Sorry, X shows the range that would have been shown if they had opened my suit. So, 1H - X = 16-17 hcps.
This was quite some time back. So, i don't remember the details. They had a lot of games their way. So, the system didn't cost them much.
At the table, I was clueless about what defense to play. We just agreed natural and takeout doubles of 1C and 1D as value showing. And for higher bids, X = majors, NT = minors and rest natural.
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Posted 2010-April-06, 14:45
gwnn, on Apr 6 2010, 08:32 PM, said:
I don't understand. If you want them to employ their system as often as possible why do you want to open a preempt?
I don't. Like I say - I don't want to level a playing field that is already stacked in my favour.
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Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2010-April-06, 14:51
If their defense against a 3♠ opening is, say, dbl=12-13, 3nt=14-15, 4♣=16-17, then I would like to open 3♠.
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Posted 2010-April-06, 14:53
I think they play (over 3S) pass=0-41 hcp, x=42-43, etc
sorry 1eyedjack misread your post
sorry 1eyedjack misread your post
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-April-06, 18:53
If you literally gave me one minute to agree on something with my regular partner, I think I would say "1-level overcalls are natural, higher overcalls are what they would mean in our 1NT/2C/2NT defense" and I'd just be pleased that we would have a lot more uncontested auctions than usual.
If you gave me a few more minutes we'd discuss in further detail which hands overcall over 1C/1D immediately and which hands wait for the second round to come back in.
I'd need quite a lot longer than that to think about how best to adjust the rest of our system to deal with e.g. overcalls. But in the meantime - it's a fine example of why having some meta-agreements about how to cope with an unexpected convention is important. (My reg p and I have a set of them, based just on 1) is it strong, 2) is there a known 5-card suit, and 3) is it forcing.)
I might also invite them over for some modest stakes Chicago style after the session.
If you gave me a few more minutes we'd discuss in further detail which hands overcall over 1C/1D immediately and which hands wait for the second round to come back in.
I'd need quite a lot longer than that to think about how best to adjust the rest of our system to deal with e.g. overcalls. But in the meantime - it's a fine example of why having some meta-agreements about how to cope with an unexpected convention is important. (My reg p and I have a set of them, based just on 1) is it strong, 2) is there a known 5-card suit, and 3) is it forcing.)
I might also invite them over for some modest stakes Chicago style after the session.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 06:13
The problem I foresee is not so mjuch what they play and our defense, but the second round, where Losing Trick Count is established. You would logically have floating ranges based on the HCP limitations of what must be.
I mean, a hand with 6-8 HCP could be a 4-by-3 with four Jacks and a Queen, or a 12-1-0-0 hand with Ace-King at the top of the long suit, meaning a range of 1-11 losers. That's a lot of definition to provide. But, obviously playable.
I mean, a hand with 6-8 HCP could be a 4-by-3 with four Jacks and a Queen, or a 12-1-0-0 hand with Ace-King at the top of the long suit, meaning a range of 1-11 losers. That's a lot of definition to provide. But, obviously playable.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 08:26
Give me 1 minute and I probably rewire double and cancel Michael's. Sure there's a buffet before me, but I don't really NEED all that much here.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
"gwnn" said:
rule number 1 in efficient forum reading:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.