[InTime]

Scoring: MP

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The Bidding went:
West...North...East...South
Pass....Pass....Pass...1D
Pass....1S.......Pass...2C
Pass....2H.......Pass...?

The question is: Will you bid on or regard this hand as a misfit and pass?
If you decide to bid on, what will be your next bid?
I will appreciate if you add rationale to your answer if possible.
Regards

[Jlall]

Can I infer from your questions that 2H is nat? If so I'd def pass and be happy I play that agreement (that's how I play also).

If 2H can be like 5323 10 count with no heart stopper then obv I can't pass heh.

[aguahombre]

I passed it out, but will try that again now at 2H. Was Pearson a wimp?

[InTime]

Jlall, on Apr 4 2010, 04:02 PM, said:

Can I infer from your questions that 2H is nat? If so I'd def pass and be happy I play that agreement (that's how I play also).

If 2H can be like 5323 10 count with no heart stopper then obv I can't pass heh.

Normally, 4th suit asks and is GF if partner is not a passed hand. We also play that if responder changes suit, it is 100% forcing . . . however I am unsure in both instances when partner is a passed hand.
So, I am unsure what will be the best understanding between partnerships in this situation.
Therefore the reason for the question.

[Jlall]

Ok, imo it should be natural NF, but I do not think that is a standard view.

[gnasher]

If the question is "should you play FSF by a passed hand?", I don't think there's much in it.

There are two hands we might want to show: a 5323 10-11 count without a heart stop, and a 5-5 7-10 count. I can't remember having held either hand much.

Perhaps if you play fairly sound openings in 1st/2nd, you should play it as FSF, but if you'd already have opened most balanced 11-counts you should play it as natural.

[InTime]

Scoring: MP

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Here are both hands.
Imo I would have opened 1C on the North hand with 2 QT and 5-4 distribution and a sound rebid of 1S.
In this instance, by not doing that, partner had an awkward time on how to continue the bidding.
Maybe it is better to write this one off.
Anyway, thanks for your comments.
Regards

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Since 2H would be FSF for me, I have to bid on.

What to bid, is of course a matter of agreement,
I would bid 3D as my default rebid, but ...

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

Why did north bid 2H and not 3C? It seems like North regretted the action not to open and was trying to catch up.

[P_Marlowe]

InTime, on Apr 5 2010, 04:04 AM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: MP

♠ AQJ10 ♥ KJ2 ♦ 3 ♣ 107542 ♠ 8 ♥ 1097 ♦ AJ1097 ♣ AK83

Here are both hands.
Imo I would have opened 1C on the North hand with 2 QT and 5-4 distribution and a sound rebid of 1S.
In this instance, by not doing that, partner had an awkward time on how to continue the bidding.
Maybe it is better to write this one off.
Anyway, thanks for your comments.
Regards

Hi,

your main problem was, that you differed in the interpretation of the 2H
call, if it is FSF, the hand would be reasonable for the call, although after
3D you still have the problem, what to bid, since 3D does not promise add.
strength.

So North should either bid 3C, the disadv. being, that he could be weaker
for the call, or 4C, which is right on values, but has the disadv. fo bypassing
3NT, your most likely game.

Most likely I would have gone with 3C, but I dont mind 2H or 4C.

I am neutral with regards to opening the North hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: For whats it worth, I would not change the system played by a passed
hand, it is certainly better to do so, but the benefits will only show up, if you
play a lot with your partner.

[aguahombre]

Disregard my earlier recommendation that South Pass the hand out. I made an assumption that 2nd seat did not have an opening bid.

4SF by a passed hand is possible, though: if opener has reversed. Was North planning any more "operations" on this hand?

[jdonn]

Yes the reason north feels guilty about bidding only 3♣ is he should have opened, if his hand was a hair worse 3♣ would be fine.