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#1 User is offline   Rossoneri 

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Posted 2010-April-04, 18:06

You pick up this hand as East:
Scoring: IMP


The bidding goes (from North):
1 - 1 - 2 - 3
4 - 4 - 4NT - P
5 - 5 - 6 - P
P - ?

What do you bid now?

Also, do you agree with the bidding by East so far, if not how would you bid differently?
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Posted 2010-April-04, 18:27

I would've bid 5H instead of 4S (very little point in trying 5D). Now this auction is a little weird since we have two keycards, but the odds of making 6S are so good (as they were the last two rounds of bidding!) that I would just do that. It's not like we're getting rich from defending 6H, and they could easily make (sounds like LHO is void in spades?).
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Posted 2010-April-04, 18:36

wow, yeah give partner Kxxx spades and out...

would've def bid more than 4S. 6S now for sure.

edit: kinda looks like LHO has a spade void and is backing us to have the spade ace rather than his partner. so RHO might have a spade trick. still, if this is the case 6S is probably a good dive vs 6H.
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Posted 2010-April-04, 19:05

Not sure if this information will tilt the choice, but 4NT was meant as RKCB.
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Posted 2010-April-04, 19:18

I think I'd bid 6, now. East's bidding might be a ruse to get doubled in 6 and make it, and that way it is ok.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2010-April-04, 19:23

Considering 6 on a real good day makes, and on a bad day its about the equivalent of their game, how can I not bid it?
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Posted 2010-April-04, 19:23

Hate 4S, woulda bid 6S to begin with. I guess I was walking the dog, so now I bid 6S since that was my plan it seems?

Don't understand roger's 5H bid, is partner supposed to bid 6S with the SK?
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Posted 2010-April-04, 19:24

Agree with everyone, 6 looks clear. It is better to score +1660 than -980.

Also I would have bid more than 4 earlier.
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Posted 2010-April-04, 19:32

Just because LHO bid 4NT and then 6 doesn't mean they can't be off two cashing aces; maybe LHO would have signed off in 5 if we hadn't bid 5 but wants to bid 6 as insurance now.

I would have just bid 6 the second round. I'll do that now, I guess.
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Posted 2010-April-04, 20:06

I would have bid 6S over 3S. Was East trying to be funny?
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Posted 2010-April-04, 21:04

Agree with everyone else. 4 strikes me as the last thing I would choose to bid. I'm not sure if I would choose to show my or just bid slam or something, but 4 is sort of lol. Anything besides 4 has to be better.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 02:31

Despite all the complaints about 4, it seems to have worked out quite well. I'd rather be playing 6x than waiting for partner to lead to 7.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 05:15

Thanks for the replies guys. On hindsight, I thought 4 was a gross underbid as well, which was why I was not very happy with this sequence.

In any case, I bid 6 and the X appears on my left.

K led and now partner tables his hand:
Scoring: IMP


How would you play the hand now after a heart continuation from South?

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Posted 2010-April-05, 05:43

Rossoneri, on Apr 5 2010, 06:15 AM, said:

Thanks for the replies guys. On hindsight, I thought 4 was a gross underbid as well, which was why I was not very happy with this sequence.

In any case, I bid 6 and the X appears on my left.

K led and now partner tables his hand:
Scoring: IMP


How would you play the hand now after a heart continuation from South?

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Spade to dummy, diamond ruff high, spade to dummy, diamond ruff, ace of clubs, how much information do I have ?
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Posted 2010-April-05, 06:06

After 3 from partner, I will always go to 6.

My main priority however, is to buy the contact, not to do it at the 6-level.

Whether a direct 6 or walking the dog is best, is both a matter of technique and psychology.

Walking the dog, they might already have doubled me in 5, but maybe now, it is a little less likely they will double me in 6. But I need to know my opponents to choose strategy.

Edit: Maybe a direct 5 is the best way to buy the contract, as the opponents are in a forcing sequence, but low on aces. And if they believe I am stoopid, which is often the case, I might still get a "walk the dog" effect, when I bid 6.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 06:14

How then, would your bidding strategy differ if:
a) Opponents were average tournament players
B) Opponents are world-class internationals?

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Posted 2010-April-05, 06:30

Rossoneri, on Apr 5 2010, 02:14 PM, said:

How then, would your bidding strategy differ if:
a) Opponents were average tournament players
B) Opponents are world-class internationals?

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:D I would need to know something about their style, but the more old-fashioned they are, the more likely it is, that I would walk the dog.

B) I would be so outgunned I would try something desperate, probably 5. If however, I should advice a young, up an coming world class player, I would advice her to bid 6.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 06:46

Rossoneri, on Apr 5 2010, 07:14 AM, said:

How then, would your bidding strategy differ if:
a) Opponents were average tournament players
B) Opponents are world-class internationals?

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I did, need to know how the diamonds split which it doesn't tell me, there may be no guess to make.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 06:49

I'm finessing. South is probably 2=8=2=1. If he had a singleton (I have to ruff the first diamond with the Ace) then it's 2=8=1=2, and no finesse, but I'm sure it's the first one.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2010-April-05, 07:31

Cyberyeti, on Apr 5 2010, 07:46 AM, said:

Rossoneri, on Apr 5 2010, 07:14 AM, said:

How then, would your bidding strategy differ if:
a) Opponents were average tournament players
B) Opponents are world-class internationals?

Cyberyeti: read the hidden text

I did, need to know how the diamonds split which it doesn't tell me, there may be no guess to make.

You have to assume N started w/6 to even have a prayer of making. If RHO only has five he would never start the auction with 1 holding 1552. Your real problem is deciding whether RHO would start with 1 holding 1561 (x KJxxx AKQJTx x) vs 1462 (x KJxx AKQJTx Qx). Given the existing auction we need to know how the opps play 2 and how they play an immediate 4 call by our LHO. I suspect LHO's inability to call a natural 4 in this auction would favor a holding of xx AQTxxxx x Qxx which means RHO was planning to reverse his hand with a 1561 hand that I would probably open 1 so IMO it is still a tossup as to whether or not to finesse.
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