[Wackojack]

Scoring: MP

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My partner rebid 2♣, so I reluctantly gave pref with 2♥. Partner passed with
KQ
KJ1096
J6
QJ87
and managed to escape the kiss of death -200, due to a defensive slip and scored -100. Somewhat surprisingly 2NT= is the par contract

Reflecting on the bidding during the play, I think Codo says it all:

Codo, on Mar 30 2010, 01:18 AM, said:

1 NT.

If partner had answered 1 NT to 1 ♠ I would like to play 2 ♦.
If partner had answered 2 ♣ to 1 ♠, I quite likely want to play 2♦.

So, if we are in the part score zone,  our choice  mostly matters if partner has a two suiter in hearts with a black suit. I bet that a two sutier in clubs is much more likely, so 1 N will win more often then 1♠.

And if we are in the game zone, we will still find 4 ♠, so that is no loss either.

I would not dream of playing Bart and neither would any of my partners. I am quite enthusiatic about 2-way check back but only one f2f partner has been interested and my partner on the day was not. So I believe the odds favour 1NT as my response. It is ironic that had I been playing 2wnmf, then the odds would swing back to responding 1♠.

At a f2f MP club tourney last night, I held:
AQ42
6
K8752
652

Playing acol my partner opened 1♥. This time I think the odds overwhelmingly favour a response of 1♠, especially since 1♥ is opened with 44 in the majors 15-19HCP. Partner rebid 2♣ which I passed. Partner turned up with:
J7
A10972
J3
AQ97

The opps cards were badly placed going 1 off for -100, scoring 21 out of 32.

[jdonn]

Has your partner given any thought to rebidding 1NT on 25(24) hands with soft values?

[Jlall]

1) It doesn't always go 1H-1x-2C. Sometimes they overcall or partner will bid 1N or 2D or 2H or jump shift or bid 2N anyways.

2) Even if it does, partner sometimes has extra values and you would get past the 2 level anyways no matter what you did (if he is 6-4 you might play 3H instead of 2H though) so it doesn't matter in those cases.

3) Even when it does go 1H-1S-2C-2H-p instead of 1H-1N-2C-2D-p it is not the biggest disaster in the world. Sometimes it works out fine and partners hearts are really good, or sometimes partner has a diamond void or whatever.

We are just catering to such a small target at the expense of missing our 4-4 spade fit, or our good 4-3 spade fit every single time. It's really not worth it. If you made my hand weaker, or gave me much better diamonds, I'd be much happier to get with the program.

[mike777]

Bart does not have anything to do with this.

Bart is:
1s=1nt
2c=etc///// is bart



This just sounds like the basic version of XYZ where after any


1x1y1z
2c forces 2d
so:


1h=1s
1nt(xyz)=2c(forces 2d)
2d(forced)=pass.

then pass shows long weak d or any other rebid is natural and invite.
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1h=1nt
2c=2d?


2d here may depend on what 2s or 3d would have meant here.

[the hog]

Jack, imo your partner misbid with this hand:
J7
A10972
J3
AQ97

I think 1NT is clear, not 2C.

[Jlall]

Really don't understand bidding 1N with 5H and 4C and all your values in those suits and good spot cards in those suits...

[the hog]

Jlall, on Apr 2 2010, 07:57 AM, said:

Really don't understand bidding 1N with 5H and 4C and all your values in those suits and good spot cards in those suits...

5422s are pretty much balanced hands and rebidding 1NT does not end the auction - in this case you reach the best spot of 2D. Also on the given hand you do have the J of Ds and further your H suit is not that good that you would be delighted to see a preference to 2H. With a stiff somewhere I would certainly agree with you, of course, but the given hand looks too balanced to me.

[Wackojack]

I didn't really want to get into a discussion about the merits of my partner's rebid of 2clubs, but I suppose it does have some relevance in that those that would rebid 1NT with some 5422's will increase the frequency of a 1NT rebid thereby making the 1spade response a better bet that it otherwise would have been. Personally I think that the decision is close, but would not criticise the choice of a 2club rebid.

Incidentally, had someone posted partner's hand in the Beginner/Intermediates, would you seriously tell them to respond 1NT?