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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2010-March-29, 02:18

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[P] - P - [2♠] - ?

do you come in here? if so, how?

say you do not:

[P] - P - [2♠] - P
[P] - X -- [P] -- ?

now what?
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Posted 2010-March-29, 03:41

I would not bid over 2♠ on first round.

3♥. Lucky I didnt bid previous round since surely parner woud raise to 4♥. I dont like our chances in 4♥ opposite a passed hand.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 04:53

pass and 4♥ for me. but I don't understand how they pass so meekly and partner reopens so happily. something weird is going on I think? anyway if he has a small doubleton in spades every value he brings will be useful so I don't think it's so bad to hang him just this one last time.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 05:39

2S is effective enough to keep me out the first time, but I now have to play game. Would be nice to play 4H from partners side but I am not sure that is possible. If I have a toy to show a good 4H bid I use it, if not I bid 4H.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 06:27

pass and just 3♥ (lebenshol positive) seems perfect
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Posted 2010-March-29, 08:01

pass and 3 ♥ playing lebensohl
pass and 4 ♥ without leb.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 08:22

Pass and 3♥, period.

I am not going to hang partner for balancing. Remember that partner will open the bidding freely (like most in these Fora). He didn't open the bidding. I expect to make 8-10 tricks.

LHO did not raise spades, so partner probably has at least 2 spades.

Bidding 4♥ could result in a making game some of the time. It could also run into a double by the passed hand partner of the 2♠ bidder some of the time.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 08:24

I would like to know what the x in ♣ is before I decide to pass and bid 3♥ with my balanced minimum opposite a passed hand.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 09:28

jjbrr, on Mar 29 2010, 09:24 AM, said:

I would like to know what the x in ♣ is before I decide to pass and bid 3♥ with my balanced minimum opposite a passed hand.

This is a bit sarcastic?
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Posted 2010-March-29, 09:40

jukmoi, on Mar 29 2010, 10:28 AM, said:

jjbrr, on Mar 29 2010, 09:24 AM, said:

I would like to know what the x in ♣ is before I decide to pass and bid 3♥ with my balanced minimum opposite a passed hand.

This is a bit sarcastic?

Did you notice we got all the spot cards except for the club? Could be a trap.

Did you also notice it's a balanced minimum opposite a passed hand?
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Posted 2010-March-29, 10:12

jjbrr, on Mar 29 2010, 10:40 AM, said:

jukmoi, on Mar 29 2010, 10:28 AM, said:

jjbrr, on Mar 29 2010, 09:24 AM, said:

I would like to know what the x in ♣ is before I decide to pass and bid 3♥ with my balanced minimum opposite a passed hand.

This is a bit sarcastic?

Did you notice we got all the spot cards except for the club? Could be a trap.

Did you also notice it's a balanced minimum opposite a passed hand?

Yes. That is why I suggested only 3..♥
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Posted 2010-March-29, 10:50

jjbrr, on Mar 29 2010, 09:24 AM, said:

I would like to know what the x in ♣ is before I decide to pass and bid 3♥ with my balanced minimum opposite a passed hand.


AK2.

sorry, was rather late when i was typing that in.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 10:56

matmat, on Mar 29 2010, 11:50 AM, said:

jjbrr, on Mar 29 2010, 09:24 AM, said:

I would like to know what the x in ♣ is before I decide to pass and bid 3♥ with my balanced minimum opposite a passed hand.


AK2.

sorry, was rather late when i was typing that in.

Well that makes my bids clear imo. I thought the ♣x might be an Uno card or something and we'd have a different class of problems.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 17:42

Double first time round.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 17:47

Assuming lebensohl still applies then 3♥ is clear this time. It has to incorporate a stronger range than if partner were an unpassed hand since it invites him to bid game as a passed hand.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 20:45

Pass the first time and 3H the second regardless of whether Lebensohl applies or not; partner is a passed hand.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 20:57

Heart warming. I have been chided for years for using Leben in this situation, but we stuck to our guns, with no downside. Partner's double is a passed hand double, but we are not a passed hand ---merely a hand which had no decent call directly over 2S.

A non-leben 3H here shows a very strong hand in context. The passed hand doubler is allowed to raise with appropriate non-opening values.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 21:07

Are people really playing Lebensohl here? Opposite a passed-hand double (which has a narrow range in strength) a scrambling 2N seems much more important to me.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 21:15

cherdanno, on Mar 29 2010, 09:07 PM, said:

Are people really playing Lebensohl here? Opposite a passed-hand double (which has a narrow range in strength) a scrambling 2N seems much more important to me.

a narrow range, but wide in offensive playing strength. Some 9 or ten-counts are very much different from others.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 22:25

I would pass first time around and bid 4♥ the second time around. I play 2NT as scrambling in this auction. But even if I did not, when as a passed hand, partner is doubling, I think he has a stiff most of time.
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