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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-March-25, 08:08

(2D)-4NT?

2D is
a. diamonds weak
b. diamonds intermediate
c. diamonds strong
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Posted 2010-March-25, 08:18

gwnn, on Mar 25 2010, 09:08 AM, said:

(2D)-4NT?

2D is
a. diamonds weak
b. diamonds intermediate
c. diamonds strong

I assume that the 4NT call was an overcall to 2♦ and not a response.

First, it is bizarre and an invitation to disaster regardless of whether it has a worthwhile meaning.

Second, over a weak or even an intermediate 2♦ opening, since with a very strong balanced hand I would expect direct seat to double, the 4NT bid must show 10 playing tricks, a very strong hand, and a high card (A or K) control in diamonds. Something like:

AQ AQ Kx AKQJTxx

This would allow advancer to properly evaluate his aces and kings as tricks for slam purposes.

Over a strong 2♦ opening the 4NT bid is a puzzlement. It must show a wildly distributional hand with clubs and a major, but I can't imagine why someone would want to by-pass the 4 level to show this.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 08:21

já, 2D opening on your right and you bid 4NT.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 08:33

I had take it as clubs and diamonds over 2 ♥ or 2 ♠, so I would take it as clubs and hearts now.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 08:42

If 4♣ is ♣+M, this DNE imo.

If 4♣ is just ♣, this should be ♣+M.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 11:43

gwnn, on Mar 25 2010, 09:08 AM, said:

(2D)-4NT?

2D is
a. diamonds weak
b. diamonds intermediate
c. diamonds strong

2a]

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Posted 2010-March-25, 13:53

A desire to be down 1?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 14:04

pooltuna, on Mar 25 2010, 12:43 PM, said:

gwnn, on Mar 25 2010, 09:08 AM, said:

(2D)-4NT?

2D is
a. diamonds weak
b. diamonds intermediate
c. diamonds strong

2a]

So you are saying that 4NT is ace-asking?
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Posted 2010-March-25, 14:07

GAH!!! Thought I could out-search the search master.

But there was definitely a post somewhere where Helene talked about this bid in the context of leaping michaels.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 15:47

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Posted 2010-March-25, 15:53

11 sure tricks in clubs or a major, bid 5♣ without aces and be prepared to raise 5M with the king of trumps.

If 2♦ is strong then it is clubs and a major
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Posted 2010-March-25, 16:00

Same as a 4N opener over weak/intermediate, not sure over strong.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 18:51

Blackwood for me..a hand that wants to know how many aces pard has and then can place the contract. Ace asking before the possible bump to 5♦ from LHO.
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