[hirowla]

I'll tell you where I ended up later, but here are the hands (North opens the bidding):

Scoring: IMPS

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Both of us playing SAYC, just a pickup partner. We got a good result, but that might have been good luck rather than good management!

Thanks,

Ian

[TylerE]

Honestly. playing SAYC (e.g. no RKC), I'd probably just blackwood over 1♥ and then bid the obvious # of ♠. King asking will become involved if parter shows 3.

[jjbrr]

I'm pretty sure I wouldnt get to slam. 1♥ 1♠ 2♦ 3♣ 3NT might end the auction for me.

I think 4N over 1♥ is completely nuts.

[MinorKid]

jjbrr, on Mar 21 2010, 03:47 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure I wouldnt get to slam. 1♥ 1♠ 2♦ 3♣ 3NT might end the auction for me.

I think 4N over 1♥ is completely nuts.

Well i am going nut.... and go 4NT after 3/4♣ after 2♠.

[P_Marlowe]

1H - 1S (1)
2D - 3C (2)
3NT (3) - 4S (4)
4NT (5) - 5S (6)
6S (7)


(1) Playing with a pickup p, it is never a good idea to jump around,
but if you are sure, that 2S is understood as a strong jump shift,
which I believe is part of SAYC, the hand would be suitable
(2) FSF, 2S and 3S are non forcing, and 4S burns a lot of space
(3) a club stopper is on bord, denies 3 spades
(4) This showes a self sufficient suit, with slam interest, you could
also make a stronger move toward slam with 5S, but 4S is enough
(5) RKCB, spades being trumps, ... given the missing heart control
not 100% clear, but p has a good hand, so it is not unreasonable
to assume he has a heart control
(6) 2KC+Queen
(7) You are missing only 1KC, bid the slam

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: The above auction is not an SAYC auction, it is basically a fairly
basic auction, the only req. basic convention is FSF, ... lots of peoble
start playing exotic stuff before they start learning FSF, but FSF is a
very powerful tool, and if you have a firm grip on FSF, than your
constructive bidding will improve a lot.

[P_Marlowe]

jjbrr, on Mar 21 2010, 03:47 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure I wouldnt get to slam. 1♥ 1♠ 2♦ 3♣ 3NT might end the auction for me.
<snip>

The important thing to consider is, that the 3NT made responders
hand stronger.
3NT showes a club stopper, looking at KQTx in clubs leads to the
question, what club stopper does opener have?
It is either the Ace, which is good, or it is the Jack to 4th, which is
not bad either.
Of course opener also denied 3 card spade support, but given the
fact, that one holds AKQJ to 6th that is only a minor issue, 5440 is
possile, but most would bid 2C instead of 2D with this pattern, so
p will have at least a single.

So all in all I would say, passing 3NT is very pessimistic, and by a higher
degree than bidding 6S direct.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[hirowla]

Interesting to see the responses.

The actual action:

1♥
1♠
2♦
3♣ (4th suit forcing)
3NT
4NT (asking if he had more than a minimum, not Blackwood)
5♥ (Thought I meant Blackwood)
5NT (Hoping he might work it out)
6♦ (Obviously didn't)
6NT

I just got concerned that we were off top 2 in ♥ and it would have killed us. Not sure how I could have easily found that out. I wanted NT.

Just checking what I should have done and whether my sequence was sane, even if not perfect!

[P_Marlowe]

hirowla, on Mar 22 2010, 06:25 AM, said:

Interesting to see the responses.

The actual action:

1♥
1♠
2♦
3♣ (4th suit forcing)
3NT
4NT (asking if he had more than a minimum, not Blackwood)
5♥ (Thought I meant Blackwood)
5NT (Hoping he might work it out)
6♦ (Obviously didn't)
6NT

I just got concerned that we were off top 2 in ♥ and it would have killed us. Not sure how I could have easily found that out. I wanted NT.

Just checking what I should have done and whether my sequence was sane, even if not perfect!

Hi,

4NT in this seq. is certainly quantitative, the question is of ccourse,
do you really want to bid 4NT?
You have a 6-4 hand, and a misfit with p, peoble usually forget, that
to make NT, one needs some kind of fit.
And as it is, you will have roughly 30HCP in the combined hands, this
means, you may well be missing AK in a suit.

And as wrote in my sample auction, 4S instead of 4NT basically asks the
same question.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

hirowla, on Mar 21 2010, 02:05 AM, said:

I'll tell you where I ended up later, but here are the hands (North opens the bidding):

<!-- NORTHSOUTH begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> IMPS </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> 4 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> Q7643 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> AK106 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> AJ8 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> AKQJ106 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> 5 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> 95 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KQ104 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- NORTHSOUTH end -->

Both of us playing SAYC, just a pickup partner. We got a good result, but that might have been good luck rather than good management!

Thanks,

Ian

I end up in 6spades after 4sf......oh well

1h=1s
2d=3c
3nt=6s?

Assume 1h shows a really good hand..not crap.

[Codo]

This hand is not easy as all if you do not play strong jump shifts.

1 ♥ 1♠
2♦ 3 ♣ (fsf)
3 NT

is a normal begin. But what now? 4 ♠ now will be passed, 4 NT will be quantitative.
I think I had tried 5 ♠ now and hope to get the message across. But I have no idea, how partner can now that his hands makes six but just five if he switches the high card in the red suits.... So at the end it is a guessing game again...

[Fluffy]

Agree with Roland, over 3NT we have to guess, with 4 keycards missing (♥A ♦AK ♣A), and partner known to hold 1 of them (♣A), we might belong to 6♠ or 4♠.

I don't think passing 3NT is an option, if anything at elast bid 4♠ wich we are maximum for, but partner can reopen with amazing cards.

If moving more, between 4NT, 5♠ or 6♠ I dunno. Parter can have the right cards or we might be just off 2 aces, also likelly is that the right red suit lead beats slam, but the other doesnt and they won't often have a clear lead.

I think I'd jsut bid 4♠ at the table.


To OP: you should had avoiced by any means bidding 5NT and 6NT, your hand plays in spades, not in NT.