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Judgement II

Poll: What to do, and how close? (45 member(s) have cast votes)

What to do, and how close?

  1. Dbl and clear (15 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. Dbl and not clear (11 votes [24.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.44%

  3. Pass and not clear (7 votes [15.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.56%

  4. Pass and clear (12 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

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Posted 2010-March-18, 18:06

Scoring: IMP


White / Red you sit East. North deals and opens 2♥.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 18:18

I'm in for pass.
OK
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Posted 2010-March-18, 18:33

Dbl. Only hurts for a minute.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 18:34

Double.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 18:35

The hand with shortness needs to take action. I am with Phil.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 18:50

I voted double-and-clear (at MP I think it would be 100% clear) but I can still respect the double-and-not-clear folk.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 18:52

Double - (and the pass vote hasn't registered).

As well as shape I've got my share of points.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 20:36

All in. Double.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 21:29

pass with regular partner double with pickup one.
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Posted 2010-March-18, 21:41

double can't think of a second choice
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Posted 2010-March-19, 01:52

perfect shape, no useless points, perfect vul. What was the question again?
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Posted 2010-March-19, 02:16

I like to bid as much as anyone, but I'd pass with this. It's a pipless 4441 10-count. If we bid with this, we'll get too high far too often.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-March-19, 03:12

Pass.
But if it were 1♥, i would double.
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Posted 2010-March-19, 03:37

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Posted 2010-March-19, 03:43

At the table I doubled and felt a little bit dirty for doing so. We ended up with a bad score, but I didn't necessarily want to attribute that to the dbl prematurely.

Polling local experts it was 4:2 in favour of double-wtp, against pass-wtp (with one fence sitter). It seemed that most of the pass-wtp backers were rubber bridge players in a former life. Same on the forums?
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Posted 2010-March-19, 05:33

I never played rubber bridge, I pass because I think double cattering for a range of 10 to 24 HCP or so, its a too wide range to have, so I like to act sound and reopen weak. This style is more useful for slam bidding, and awful for partscore battles.
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Posted 2010-March-19, 08:23

Ant590, on Mar 19 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

At the table I doubled and felt a little bit dirty for doing so. We ended up with a bad score, but I didn't necessarily want to attribute that to the dbl prematurely.

Polling local experts it was 4:2 in favour of double-wtp, against pass-wtp (with one fence sitter). It seemed that most of the pass-wtp backers were rubber bridge players in a former life. Same on the forums?

ya pass-wtp is not an option imo. There are so many cons of pass that it's not clear at all, but I would still pass because I don't think this hand is strong enough for a t/o double. I expected to be in the minority when I first posted my answer.
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Posted 2010-March-19, 08:34

It is my style that a double in direct seat over a preempt shows a good hand if the shape is right, and a very good hand if the shape is wrong. This is a fair hand with the right shape.

I pass, and I consider it to be a wtp since it is about a K short of my requirements for a direct seat double. But I understand that others would double as their requirements are lower.
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Posted 2010-March-19, 11:57

I would have doubled also.
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Posted 2010-March-20, 03:33

Ant590, on Mar 19 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

It seemed that most of the pass-wtp backers were rubber bridge players in a former life. Same on the forums?

4441 is more of a NT shape, unless you have a great fit and partner also have some ruffing values. In this case besides possible trump fit you still have absolutely spot-less 4-4, if partner also has 3-4 cards in those suits, you may have a lot of losing tricks.

Also your HCP power isn't that great, partner will on average count on something more. I have only 3 honors all in different suits, and aces work well in defense too.
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