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What shall I bid? any difference if vulnerability differs

#1 User is offline   twcho 

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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:04

2nd seat playing IMP, red vs white, holding KQJxxx Kx K8 Q109, you open 1♠ after RHO passes. LHO overcalls 3♦ and two passes follow. What will you do? Will your action differs if the vulnerability is different?

Suppose you decide to double. Partner bids 3♥. What will you bid now?
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:09

Passsssssssssssssss the first time. I can't possibly put enough s's in that pass.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:11

yep don't double :o

pass 100
3♠ 10
x 0

now I have no idea.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:16

I'd double 3♦ and bid 3♠ over 3♥. Looks like it will be a lonely and unprofitable choice.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:17

But, of course, the lawyers won't let me get away with passing if partner took more than his ten seconds.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:20

Pict, on Mar 10 2010, 12:16 PM, said:

I'd double 3♦ and bid 3♠ over 3♥. Looks like it will be a lonely and unprofitable choice.

WHAT!? You are willing to protect your partner???? I don't think that is allowed on this forum :)
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:20

aguahombre, on Mar 10 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

But, of course, the lawyers won't let me get away with passing if partner took more than his ten seconds.

I don't understand this comment at all.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:31

jdonn, on Mar 10 2010, 12:20 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Mar 10 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

But, of course, the lawyers won't let me get away with passing if partner took more than his ten seconds.

I don't understand this comment at all.


I hope there are some things in the world worse than a bad bridge bid.

It used to be quite common (even among normalish people) to cater for partner having a penalty double. In part I posted to provoke a bit of reasoning on why that idea has died.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:38

gwnn, on Mar 10 2010, 12:11 PM, said:

yep don't double :)

pass 100
3♠ 10
x 0

now I have no idea.

Pass is 60; everything else is zero.

You don't get 100 for making obvious calls :)
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:48

Don't pay the ransom. Phil escaped and is back.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 12:07

Pass.
A lot of players reopen too lightly in this situation.
Excluding the often too conservative Americans of course.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 16:22

I reopen too often I guess, so just for the record, if we move ♦K to clubs making us doubleton low diamonds, is now double much more tempting?
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Posted 2010-March-10, 16:29

Pass.

pooltuna, on Mar 10 2010, 12:20 PM, said:

WHAT!? You are willing to protect your partner???? I don't think that is allowed on this forum  :)


Do you think that the passers might be using judgment, instead of blindly parroting cliches?

I am sure many would indeed 'protect their partner' with KQJxxx KQx x Q109.

But possibly only Tuna Fish would protect his partner with KQJxxx x KQJ Qx - after all, if partner has a trap pass and we have KQJ of trumps, we need to double to protect partner...
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 16:34

More than a bit strange that people applying judgement, seem to feel so astonishingly emotional about it.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 17:04

Pass is horrible, but I'm torn between X and 3♠.

If you pass or bid 3♠, partner will have x, AQx, Q10xxx, Jxx.

If you double, partner will have 10x, Qxx, Qxx, AKxxx and you'll play the wrong game.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 17:39

Pict, on Mar 10 2010, 05:34 PM, said:

More than a bit strange that people applying judgement, seem to feel so astonishingly emotional about it.

I don't see anyone being emotional, just speaking strongly. But that's because the judgment in this case is so obvious.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 01:30

Easy 3 ♠ I do not respect opponents preempts when they are fav and I have a close to selfsufficent 6 card suit.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 01:39

Cyberyeti, on Mar 10 2010, 06:04 PM, said:

If you double, partner will have 10x, Qxx, Qxx, AKxxx and you'll play the wrong game.

I think passing (as responder) with this hand is wrong.
I would prefer 3NT (slight overbid) , or Double (slight missbid) to Passing.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 01:59

Pict, on Mar 10 2010, 12:31 PM, said:

It used to be quite common (even among normalish people) to cater for partner having a penalty double. In part I posted to provoke a bit of reasoning on why that idea has died.

The idea has not died. It just that with us holding ♦Kx it is not very likely that partner holds a penalty pass.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 02:24

Pass. Bidding 3S is very poor.
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