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#1 User is offline   dicklont 

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Posted 2010-March-10, 17:53

Scoring: IMP

1 - (3) - 3 - (pass)
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3 was weak.
Partners 3 is a welcome call, how do you continue?
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Posted 2010-March-10, 18:25

4.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 18:26

4D, my definition of this is "better than 12-14 balanced with spade support", which this fits.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 18:33

hand is good but could be so much better, I'm stuck with just 4
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Posted 2010-March-10, 18:52

Just 4. But I admit I had to think about it, a hand with this shape should generally upgrade like mad here.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 19:24

4S.

I like 4D as "two or more places to play" but if 4D is the standard good raise it needs to be saved for something better than a 7 (6 1/2?) loser hand.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 03:21

4S. The hand is not that good. It is close though.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 06:29

I find the hand more than good for a 4 cue...

Has good 4 card support, singleton in their suit, AK on the side... way too different from the normal 12-14 min with 3 spades and some diamond wastage for me.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 07:00

Facing a hand that is obviously game going I think we have to bid 4D even though it is a bit less than we would like. Lets say partner holds a good 14, which include the AK S, A H and KC, if we raise to 4S is he going to take another bid looking at 2 small D when a lot of the time the 4S raise may even be based on 3 small, or perhaps only 2. Assuming we bid 4D if partner bids 4H we can slow down with 4S. Even when partner has less than all the nice cards we would like to see 4D is not the so terrible. My hand contains 3 nice controls along with a 4th trump, I am willing to risk this aggressive push here.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 08:03

I would settle for 4 but no real quarrel with those who like to show xtras
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Posted 2010-March-11, 08:04

I would just bid 4. Need more for 4 or that bid would make it too hard for partner.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 08:23

The Q is now zero. So, this is a near perfect 11 ... but still 11.

Just 4 for me, I think if partner has enough for slam he will make a move, and I will gladly cooperate. I don't think he needs all that much for his 3 call NV over a weak bid, perhaps only AKxxxx and out.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 12:18

Scoring: IMP

1 - (3) - 3 - (pass)
4 - all pass


My partner bid 4 considering his hand a normal minimum opening.
Looking at three small diamonds I thought even the five level could be too high, losing three tricks from the lead.
Should I have tried something anyway or just say "well done" to the preempter?
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Posted 2010-March-11, 12:29

dicklont, on Mar 11 2010, 11:18 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1 - (3) - 3 - (pass)
4 - all pass


My partner bid 4 considering his hand a normal minimum opening.
Looking at three small diamonds I thought even the five level could be too high, losing three tricks from the lead.
Should I have tried something anyway or just say "well done" to the preempter?

Your partner should have bid 4D :).
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Posted 2010-March-11, 12:33

I'm with Roger 100% on this.

Then again, my partners don't generally hang me just for making some positive noise.
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Posted 2010-March-11, 18:26

dicklont, on Mar 11 2010, 07:18 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1 - (3) - 3 - (pass)
4 - all pass


My partner bid 4 considering his hand a normal minimum opening.
Looking at three small diamonds I thought even the five level could be too high, losing three tricks from the lead.
Should I have tried something anyway or just say "well done" to the preempter?

For you to have three immediate diamond losers, how would the suit have to be distributed around the table?

I don't disagree with your main point, though, If partner has a minimum with a wasted diamond card, the five level may well be too high. For example, Jxx KJxx Kx Axxx

Now that I've constructed that example and compared it to opener's actual hand, I think it's clear for him to bid 4.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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