The logic is flawed, as 8B does not say what is asserted. What it says is that the round isn't over if play has not been completed, which is a different thing.
When is a board "started"? EBU
#41
Posted 2010-March-15, 07:30
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#42
Posted 2010-March-15, 08:53
Blackshoe
Please explain your 1st sentence.
Its bewildering.
What flaw are we talking about and pray what does "does not say what is asserted" mean in plain english.
We are talking about when a board may be removed not what isn't written in Law8B
As for your 2nd sentence I really thought thats what I said
Please explain your 1st sentence.
Its bewildering.
What flaw are we talking about and pray what does "does not say what is asserted" mean in plain english.
We are talking about when a board may be removed not what isn't written in Law8B
As for your 2nd sentence I really thought thats what I said
#43
Posted 2010-March-15, 10:17
chastibb, on Mar 15 2010, 09:53 AM, said:
Blackshoe
Please explain your 1st sentence.
Its bewildering.
What flaw are we talking about and pray what does "does not say what is asserted" mean in plain english.
We are talking about when a board may be removed not what isn't written in Law8B
As for your 2nd sentence I really thought thats what I said
Please explain your 1st sentence.
Its bewildering.
What flaw are we talking about and pray what does "does not say what is asserted" mean in plain english.
We are talking about when a board may be removed not what isn't written in Law8B
As for your 2nd sentence I really thought thats what I said
"So according to the definitions, once a player has made a bid/call the board must be finished, Law 8B says so."
Law 8B doesn't say that. The flaw in your logic is concluding that it does say that from the premises you stated.
"We" may be talking about when a board may be removed, but you're the one talking about what is (and is not) in 8B.
It seems clear that if a board has not been started, the TD can postpone its play (Laws 81C1 and 82B2). It seems equally clear that the TD should not postpone the play of a board that has already been started, even if we can't point to a specific law that says so. So we're back to the original question: "when is a board 'started'?" We've seen several answers to this:
1. When any hand is removed from the board (Law 17A).
2. When the first call is made.
3. When the opening lead is faced.
3 is clearly wrong. 2 has no support in the law, afaics. That leaves us with 1.
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean

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