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Matchpoint bidding question

Poll: What's your call? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call?

  1. Pass (20 votes [74.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.07%

  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4H (3 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. Would've raised hearts earlier (4 votes [14.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2010-March-07, 23:38

♠QT9x
♥xxx
♦Txxxx
♣x

Matchpoints, white vs. red. LHO deals and opens:

1♠ - 2♥ - 2♠ - Pass
Pass - 3♥ - Pass - Pass
3♠ - Pass - Pass - ???
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Posted 2010-March-07, 23:46

It's telling that partner reopened with 3♥ instead of double. He seems to have 7 hearts and/or short diamonds. And he must have something decent just given the lack of bidding by the opponents and my nothingness. I think our hands fit like a glove even if I had a yarb with this shape. I'm going 4♥ which I would have done last round.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 02:20

Hi,

Pass.

It is either Pass or double, I would go with Pass.

I guesss my p would have raised earlier, it helps if you have a garbage
raise av., but given that we have Q109x in their suit, I dont mind pass.

Double may well be the winning bid, although it is not unlikely that they
go down -2 anyway.

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Posted 2010-March-08, 03:40

I voted pass. At this vulnerability, double is tempting, but I do need THREE tricks from partner for that to be right, and only 1 of them is going to be coming from hearts.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 04:00

Double? With one defensive trick and one of the opps almost certainly short in partner's suit? No thanks.

4♥ I could understand. But I pass.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 04:26

I'm going with 4♥.

Robson/Segal would have agreed with pass previous round. As for me, I'm not so sure :unsure:
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Posted 2010-March-08, 04:59

Pass. Why should I undo partner's good work?
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Posted 2010-March-08, 05:48

I would have raised sooner and not faced this problem. I have a good hand for H and passing over 2S seems pussy to me.

Given that I was forced to pass I can now thank my LHO for drawing my attention to the fact I forgot to support sooner. You are getting a S lead and time is on your side, I bid the game I expect to make.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 06:30

I would've bid 4♥ the previous round, so I guess I'll do it now before I miss another chance.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 07:02

I try to construct hands where 4 ♥ is a good spot to be.

After this exercise it is an easy pass. Of course, if they never lead trumps, you may take 10 tricks, or maybe partner misbids and is stronger then expected.

Seriously, there are hands which make 10 tricks even after a heart lead- but they are rare.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 07:14

I won't tell opps where to search for ♠ honors and about the split, so dbl is out.
Fortunately partner did not dbl on his nonexisting ♥ tricks.
So I have an easy pass.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 08:48

Codo, on Mar 8 2010, 08:02 AM, said:

I try to construct hands where 4 ♥ is a good spot to be.

After this exercise it is an easy pass. Of course, if they never lead trumps, you may take 10 tricks, or maybe partner misbids and is stronger then expected.

Seriously, there are hands which make 10 tricks even after a heart lead- but they are rare.

Maybe I am missing something major here, but I would not write off 4♥ on the basis.

If partner has just ♥AKJxxxx, ♣Axx with a ♠void or ♦ entry?
even with ♣Kxx, it still has options?
And if partner does not have 3♣, there's a good chance he has enough in ♦?

The crux for me would be "did I believe partner was void in ♠"?
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Posted 2010-March-08, 10:25

I guess I am just to unimaginative to do anything other than pass.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 10:48

I am also a passer, 4♥ was tempting the round before, bidding it now is wrong unless you play with a law adict or something.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 01:23

Scoring: MP


I passed, right or wrong. 3♠ can be made if declarer picks up the singleton diamond king, but it failed by a trick at the table (losing a diamond, a club, a heart, and two spades). Much of the field was in 4♥ making, although best defense should set it a trick (heart lead, followed by an underlead of the spade ace by west after winning the diamond ace to get his partner in for another trump play).
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Posted 2010-March-09, 01:38

Your partner should have bid 4♥ on the first round with that hand? I just can't understand a 2♥ overcall, then rebalancing 3♥...
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Posted 2010-March-09, 01:54

awm, on Mar 9 2010, 12:23 AM, said:

Dealer: West
Vul: E/W
Scoring: MP
♠ x
♥ AKQJ9xx
♦ K
♣ Axxx
♠ Axxxx
♥ x
♦ AJ
♣ KJTxx
♠ KJx
♥ Tx
♦ Q9xxx
♣ Q9x
♠ QT9x
♥ xxx
♦ Txxxx
♣ x
 


I passed, right or wrong. 3♠ can be made if declarer picks up the singleton diamond king, but it failed by a trick at the table (losing a diamond, a club, a heart, and two spades). Much of the field was in 4♥ making, although best defense should set it a trick (heart lead, followed by an underlead of the spade ace by west after winning the diamond ace to get his partner in for another trump play).

North had a totally normal 4H bid? Twice?
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Posted 2010-March-09, 02:15

I want my credit! Yeah north had a 4♥ bid but you could make his hearts worse and he wouldn't any more or at least not obviously, like x AQJxxxx K Axxx.

Sorry going to sleep now.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 04:26

lol at the doublers :)
i might bid 4♥ with south at first opportunity if i was on my A game, if i missed that one i would def bid it second round (either to make or to save, bidding just got better now that they bid 3♠).

if RHO bid 3♠ over 3♥, i would always bid 4♥.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 04:28

lmilne said:

lol at the doublers wink.gif
i might bid 4♥ with south at first opportunity if i was on my A game, if i missed that one i would def bid it second round (either to make or to save, bidding just got better now that they bid 3♠).

if RHO bid 3♠ over 3♥, i would always bid 4♥.
I am sorry who are you LOL ing at? As of now 10:30 GMT there are 0 votes for double and only part of 1 post that mentions double as an option.
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