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Posted 2010-March-05, 03:17

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2♥-(2♠)-??-(4♠)
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Do you first bid 4♥ or 3♠ or something else?
After 4♠, do you double or bid to 5 level?
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Posted 2010-March-05, 03:20

4H and x. simple and correct :)
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Posted 2010-March-05, 03:46

Agree with 4♥ first round and double 4♠.
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Posted 2010-March-05, 03:46

Agree with Csaba
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Posted 2010-March-05, 03:49

Agree with the agreement
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Posted 2010-March-05, 04:33

3S, the advantage is, that you involve p in the decision process, of course
3S may also prevent them from bidding 4S.

If you think, that with the current hand, you dont need partners input,
go ahead, bid 4H.

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Posted 2010-March-05, 08:32

gwnn, on Mar 5 2010, 04:20 AM, said:

4H and x. simple and correct :ph34r:

this is where my vote fits
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Posted 2010-March-05, 10:19

4♥ and X. I don't see how 3♠ preempts 4♠, nor how it helps partner make a decision at all. What does it tell him?
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Posted 2010-March-05, 11:14

jdonn, on Mar 5 2010, 11:19 AM, said:

4♥ and X. I don't see how 3♠ preempts 4♠, nor how it helps partner make a decision at all. What does it tell him?

The difference between 3♠ and 4♥ is the former puts us in a forcing pass auction and lets partner know it really is our hand. With 4♥ he is still the seaman and we are still the captain. Whether or not this knowledge actually helps is far from certain as I am unwilling to go past 4♥ and Xing everything in sight rates to be our best choice.
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Posted 2010-March-05, 11:40

No more rhetorical questions from me. :D
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Posted 2010-March-05, 12:55

I can see partner acting with a 6-4 for example if we bid 3♠, and he rates to make it then so it sounds right.
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Posted 2010-March-05, 13:01

4♥ is clear I think. Double not as clear.
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Posted 2010-March-05, 13:08

jjbrr, on Mar 5 2010, 02:01 PM, said:

4♥ is clear I think. Double not as clear.

! You have A A AK. That is 4 tricks. While one of the AK may not cash they still won't make overtricks (I'm discounting voids which are very unlikely and very unlucky), and meanwhile partner could have a trick or two himself or even a ruff. Plus both their bids were under pressure (assuming you bid 4♥). I think not doubling is a huge error. I would even double opposite a 655321 preempt.
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Posted 2010-March-05, 13:27

Another vote for 4♥ and double.
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Posted 2010-March-05, 14:00

jdonn, on Mar 5 2010, 01:08 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Mar 5 2010, 02:01 PM, said:

4♥ is clear I think. Double not as clear.

! You have A A AK. That is 4 tricks. While one of the AK may not cash they still won't make overtricks (I'm discounting voids which are very unlikely and very unlucky), and meanwhile partner could have a trick or two himself or even a ruff. Plus both their bids were under pressure (assuming you bid 4♥). I think not doubling is a huge error. I would even double opposite a 655321 preempt.

4♥ and double for me also, and perhaps we are getting +500 and it would not shock me to get +800 considering some of the crap people compete with. That being said, I doubt we are favorites for 5♥
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