[straube]

I like this. Inviting criticism and better ideas..

1C-1D=0-7

1H-S, S/H, S/C, S/D, 3
.....1N-S/H/3
..........2D-3, short minor
..........2H-reverser
.....2C-S/C
.....2D-S
.....2H-S/D reverser

1S-bal w/ 4 hearts, D/C, D, 3
.....2C-D/C
.....2D-bal with 4 hearts
.....2H-3, short M
.....2S-D, higher

1N-H, H/C

2C-H/D

2D-C

2H-bal w/ 4 spades, not hearts
.....opener can relay with either 2S or 2N

2S-bal w/ minors

2N-3334

3C-3343

Why don't I need the 3-level bids? Did I leave something out?

[awm]

straube, on Feb 26 2010, 10:44 PM, said:

Why don't I need the 3-level bids? Did I leave something out?

It has to do with how you resolve the balanced hands.

Basically you have "unrolled" some of the balanced treatments into 2♥, 2N, 3♣ and compressed the shapely treatments. The balanced hands always resolved pretty low in symmetric relay.

[straube]

Hm. Not seeing it. What have I lost steps on? I think it has something to do with the 5332s. Do I need to include them in the balanced hands? Then at 2D I've shown a 6-card suit?

[awm]

If you look at standard symmetric relay, you have:

1♥ = hearts
.... 1N = both majors (next 2♦ = 3-suited)
.... 2♣ = hearts + clubs
.... 2♦, 2♥ = reds
.... 2♠+ = hearts only, includes 5332
1♠ = spades, not four hearts
.... 2♣ = spades + clubs
.... 2♦, 2♥ = spades + diamonds
.... 2♠+ = spades only, includes 5332
1N = balanced
2♣ = clubs or 3-suited short major (next 2♥ = 3-suited)
2♦ = diamonds
2♥+ = both minors

You can easily re-arrange things by "unrolling" the balanced hands and compressing the hands with diamonds or both minors such that:

1♥ = hearts
1♠ = spades, not four hearts
1N = diamonds or both minors
2♣ = clubs or 3-suited short major
2♦+ = balanced

However, the balanced hands resolve relatively cheaply, with many of them getting out at 2NT or 3♣, so you won't need all the direct three-level bids here. Arguably this is good because you need more space to locate honors opposite a balanced hand (four suits to worry about rather than three, basically).

You've performed some further rearranges, presumably to try to transfer declarership.

[straube]

Thanks. I see it now. I haven't lost anything and I guess my 3-level bids are used to zoom QPs for the 3343.

[straube]

So...can I use the 3-level to better effect?

For instance I could use 1C-3C to show an unspecified 7-cd suit with AKQ like Moscito does. How does that work exactly and are there any better ideas?