[georgeac]

Scoring: MP

1♣-1♥-2♣-P
?

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Had this hand the other night. Open pairs at a sectional. Would you open differently? What do you take partner for(pick up partner but standard SAYC, pretty sound openers and bids,NOT inverted)

What do you bid now?

[Codo]

You do not play 4♣ as KC for clubs?

Without this tool, I would try 2♦ and hope for a slow auction.

If I have no hopes for a good bidding, I shall try 5 ♣. Slam does not just need a KC, it needs something good to happen in Spade too.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 1C as an opening is fine.
Given that you are 7-4, it is not clear you want to play spades,
but hearing, that p has or has no spade length, cant hurt.
#2 3H - a splinter
I originally wrote 4H, but since 3H is already a splinter, no need for 4H.
3H gives p still enough room, to show a spade control, show or deny slam
interest, and it makes it clear, what we are looking for.
You are already done, if p can make a spade cue, especisally, if you play,
that the first cue showes a top honor.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

The limit of this hand is certainly likely to be 5C. If you want to play partner for perfect cards, you could try 2S and see what she produces.
In real life I would probably just bid 5C.

[gnasher]

Codo, on Mar 3 2010, 08:41 AM, said:

You do not play 4♣ as KC for clubs?

Without this tool, I would try 2♦ and hope for a slow auction.

If you want to bid Keycard, why does it have to be 4♣? 4NT played the traditional way will work equally well, won't it?

[hanp]

I play 4NT as a preemptive raise to 4C.

[gnasher]

I don't see why partner shouldn't produce an ace and ♠K. RHO's silence suggests that partner is at the top of his range.

I'd bid 2♠. If he shows some life after that, I'll start cue-bidding and see if he has ♠K. If he signs off over 2♠, I'll just bid 5♣.

Edit: I realise that this might be making LHO's life easier by giving him space to show the rest of his red two-suiter. Still, I think it's worth the risk.

[Pict]

5♣ immediately. I think it is more probable we have to try to grab the contract now, than that we can reach slam.

[Codo]

gnasher, on Mar 3 2010, 05:51 PM, said:

Codo, on Mar 3 2010, 08:41 AM, said:

You do not play 4♣ as KC for clubs?

Without this tool, I would try 2♦ and hope for a slow auction.

If you want to bid Keycard, why does it have to be 4♣? 4NT played the traditional way will work equally well, won't it?

Even playing 3041 (which I don't-) there is no way to ask for the king of spades or any other nice feature. You have to bid slam opposte the Ace of clubs and no other known card. Against the odds in my view.

East pass suggestes some heart length with partner. He will have some diamonds too. As more I think about it, it is not unlikely, that he holds short spades given the bidding so far. This makes the possession of the king less likely. But maybe he holds x, Qxx, Qxxx,Axxxx?

[Codo]

gnasher, on Mar 3 2010, 05:51 PM, said:

If you want to bid Keycard, why does it have to be 4♣? 4NT played the traditional way will work equally well, won't it?

Even playing 3041 (which I don't-) there is no way to ask for the king of spades or any other nice feature. You have to bid slam opposite the Ace of clubs and no other known card. Against the odds in my view.

East pass suggestes some heart length with partner. He will have some diamonds too. As more I think about it, it is not unlikely, that he holds short spades given the bidding so far. This makes the possession of the king less likely. But maybe he holds x, Qxx, Qxxx,Axxxx? A too small target to hit.

[wank]

well, the argument that you want to pre-empt the opps has some validity, but if you adopt an optimistic approach, bidding the hand constructively is dead easy - just splinter and see if partner can cue spades then reach for your favourite black (sad for those playing 1430 lol) but even without the benfit of blackwood you might be able to get there if p can use some sort of last train to show his ace.

personally, i think it's churlish not to investiage slam when you only need an ace and a king from p or the right singleton and a banger.

[Fluffy]

hanp, on Mar 3 2010, 08:55 AM, said:

I play 4NT as a preemptive raise to 4C.

I like this, my usual opponents won't notice when aprtner bid 4♣ next.

[Fluffy]

I can't believe so many people are avoiding +630 here, its a clear 3♥ bid.

[pooltuna]

georgeac, on Mar 3 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

1♣-1♥-2♣-P
?

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Had this hand the other night. Open pairs at a sectional. Would you open differently? What do you take partner for(pick up partner but standard SAYC, pretty sound openers and bids,NOT inverted)

What do you bid now?

Looks like your choices are 3♥, 5♣, or 6♣. What is peculiar is RHO's pass. i.e. no ♥ support. This makes partner a favorite to hold 4+ ♥ and 4+♣. since it is MP I will probably try 3♥

[jjbrr]

3♥

[PhantomSac]

I'd start with 2S, partners spade holding will be critical to our slam success, it's not like they are solid.

[kenrexford]

I mean, partner might even have a stiff spade, where 6♣ might make that way.

The problem with a 2♠ call is that it might help the defense, but I think they can avoid that problem on their own. Plus, a lot of good things can happen. I'm not sure how the auction will progress, but this seems like the right start.

2♦ as a start is not reprehensible, nor is 2♥, actually, but I think I need to bid where I live in this sequence.

[Pict]

An interesting hand.

No-one has mentioned 5♣ or 5♣ doubled as the best contract you are likely to be allowed to play. Not at all impossible, but maybe not available on slow arrival (opponents second round diamond fit).

The vulnerabilty cuts all ways.

Anyway the majority view is to go slow, and I take on board, that may well be right.

[PhantomSac]

There is too much potential for slam to blast to game, and too much chance of getting to a really bad slam if we keycard and drive opp 1 KC imo. The info we need is really easy to get, and is reasonably likely, so I don't see any need for it.

[georgeac]

I ended up bidding 6♣. RHO bid 6♥
we set it for 1100 to get 12 MPs top was 16 i think that got 6♣x=

i never thought about 3♥ because we had a misunderstanding earlier over a cuebid. but i probably should do that and see what happens

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