[gdawg01]

East deals and sitting South, you pick up this :

Scoring: MP

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The bidding goes (from East) :

P - P - 1H - (your bid)

fwiw, I blasted 5D, got whacked, and made it when pard kindly showed up with Kx diamonds and AKxxx of spades! From my view, they might have had a doublt fit in clubs and hearts, so I went for an immediated 5D.

Comments / criticisms welcome as always.

Girish

[jdonn]

Blast it! What happened is exactly the type of good thing that can happen. Or LHO has a limit raise or minimum game force or slam try in hearts and has to guess whether and how high to raise. Etc etc etc

I think bidding 5♦ is clearly a loser single dummy but probably a winner double dummy.

[jjbrr]

5♦ for sure

[gwnn]

Blasting is almost never an incorrect strategy in competitive auctions. Walking the dog works only if you know your opponents' tendencies perfectly, which is very rarely the case.

[PhantomSac]

5D feels wrong to me, we have a lot of defense and our offense is not that great, I'd just bid 4D, call me crazy. 5D is normal though.

[fingolfin3]

B/I lurker here. Am I the only one who would have bid 6D holding ♠AK and ♦Kx opposite the 5D bid?

[jdonn]

PhantomSac, on Mar 2 2010, 02:37 PM, said:

5D feels wrong to me, we have a lot of defense and our offense is not that great, I'd just bid 4D, call me crazy. 5D is normal though.

You have a point but still blast it, not walk the dog (which I assume means pass or 2♦).

[jjbrr]

fingolfin3, on Mar 2 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

B/I lurker here.  Am I the only one who would have bid 6D holding ♠AK and ♦Kx opposite the 5D bid?

I think a first round control outside of ♦ and ♠ and then maybe another trick in addition to that (AQJ 9th of diamonds and a void is still only 11 top tricks, as is AQJ 8th and an A, though I don't think partner can hold that hand) is too small a target to make 6♦ right enough of the time.

[vuroth]

fingolfin3, on Mar 2 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

B/I lurker here. Am I the only one who would have bid 6D holding ♠AK and ♦Kx opposite the 5D bid?

If they double before I get a chance to speak, I'll pass in a heartbeat.

I think I'll pass anyways. Partner should be worth about down 2 on his own, opposite a typical hand from us. I'm not convinced that we're 3 tricks better, especially on a heart lead. 6♦ relies on partner having 1 or fewer losers in ♥/♣, which seems a stretch.

I think if the AK were in hearts instead of spades it would be a more interesting question.

[pooltuna]

gdawg01, on Mar 2 2010, 01:58 PM, said:

East deals and sitting South, you pick up this :

Scoring: MP

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The bidding goes (from East) :

P - P - 1H - (your bid)

fwiw, I blasted 5D, got whacked, and made it when pard kindly showed up with Kx diamonds and AKxxx of spades! From my view, they might have had a doublt fit in clubs and hearts, so I went for an immediated 5D.

Comments / criticisms welcome as always.

Girish

you definitely want to put them on last guess and 5♦ does that.

[gdawg01]

Yea, walk the dog did mean a pass or 2d, followed by bidding diamonds at every (possible) stage.

Justin, interesting point about the lots of defense bit. 4D, I must admit, never occurred to me ; I only thought of pass, 2D, and 5D.

[fingolfin3]

vuroth, on Mar 2 2010, 03:21 PM, said:

fingolfin3, on Mar 2 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

B/I lurker here.  Am I the only one who would have bid 6D holding ♠AK and ♦Kx opposite the 5D bid?

If they double before I get a chance to speak, I'll pass in a heartbeat.

I think I'll pass anyways. Partner should be worth about down 2 on his own, opposite a typical hand from us. I'm not convinced that we're 3 tricks better, especially on a heart lead. 6♦ relies on partner having 1 or fewer losers in ♥/♣, which seems a stretch.

I think if the AK were in hearts instead of spades it would be a more interesting question.

Yeah, good point. I was just thinking that I had 3 tricks opposite a hand I expected to be 2 tricks short of 5D. But considering that partner is probably counting on me to contribute *something* for his original 5D bid, it's not really 3 tricks more.

To make 6D on a likely heart lead, partner would seem to need 9 diamonds to the AQ, plus either:

(1) ♣A or ♥A
or
(2) ♠Q and a void
or
(3) ♥Kx and a void

Probably too much to ask for on second thought.

[jjbrr]

♥Kx and not a spade void, which is less than half of the possible hands with ♥Kx and voids, given your spade length.

[PhantomSac]

I mean we have 9 HCP so they don't necessarily have game, and our diamond holding is such that if partner has a stiff that could be a lot of defense + 1 or 2 trump losers in offense, our stiff K of trumps is meh... seems like we could just have 3 tricks immediately with 0 HCP from partner and a million losers...this whole hand is bothering me, I think I'm goin crazy.

[Cascade]

I want a trick more for 5♦.

5minor going down is too often bad against nothing. So I like a second way to win - we can make even if partner has not much.

4♦ and partner will raise with ♦ Kx and an AK

[rogerclee]

In general I don't like to jump to the 5 level when I have some defense because it's too often that we go minus for no reason. That said I don't get dealt 9 card suits very often, so while I think I would bid 4D, 5D seems ok to me.

[P_Marlowe]

fingolfin3, on Mar 2 2010, 03:45 PM, said:

vuroth, on Mar 2 2010, 03:21 PM, said:

fingolfin3, on Mar 2 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

B/I lurker here.  Am I the only one who would have bid 6D holding ♠AK and ♦Kx opposite the 5D bid?

If they double before I get a chance to speak, I'll pass in a heartbeat.

I think I'll pass anyways. Partner should be worth about down 2 on his own, opposite a typical hand from us. I'm not convinced that we're 3 tricks better, especially on a heart lead. 6♦ relies on partner having 1 or fewer losers in ♥/♣, which seems a stretch.

I think if the AK were in hearts instead of spades it would be a more interesting question.

Yeah, good point. I was just thinking that I had 3 tricks opposite a hand I expected to be 2 tricks short of 5D. But considering that partner is probably counting on me to contribute *something* for his original 5D bid, it's not really 3 tricks more.

To make 6D on a likely heart lead, partner would seem to need 9 diamonds to the AQ, plus either:

(1) ♣A or ♥A
or
(2) ♠Q and a void
or
(3) ♥Kx and a void

Probably too much to ask for on second thought.

Hi,

there is one important point, which has to be kept in mind:

Partner faced a passed hand, and this means he will sometimes
make some tactical bids, i.e. he could be slightly lighter or stronger.
You should be wary to hang him, if he decided to go out.

As it is, if the bid would have occurred in first seat, than depending
on your preempt style, raising to 6 with 3 tricks is a reasonable
proposition, at least, if you are red vs. green.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Simplicity]

5♦, but wouldn't necessarily criticise 4

[jh51]

gdawg01, on Mar 2 2010, 01:58 PM, said:

East deals and sitting South, you pick up this :

Scoring: MP

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The bidding goes (from East) :

P - P - 1H - (your bid)

fwiw, I blasted 5D, got whacked, and made it when pard kindly showed up with Kx diamonds and AKxxx of spades! From my view, they might have had a doublt fit in clubs and hearts, so I went for an immediated 5D.

Comments / criticisms welcome as always.

Girish

If your comments are correct, and East dealt, then West bid out of turn! However, if the diagram is correct...

[Little Kid]

4♦, wouldn't consider any other bid.