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rho open 1club and you hold J95 AQJ AQT5 AK2 what's your bid?
If you bid 1d(as I did) the opener will bid 1s over now what?
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Posted 2010-March-01, 11:32
jocdelevat, on Mar 1 2010, 09:36 AM, said:
rho open 1club and you hold J95 AQJ AQT5 AK2 what's your bid?
If you bid 1d(as I did) the opener will bid 1s over now what?
If you bid 1d(as I did) the opener will bid 1s over now what?
Your range for a 1♦ overcall is too large. You need to read up on take out doubles and incorporate a reasonable strategy to handle this type of hand. Such a strategy will normally involve starting with an X and have a NT rebid.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 12:01
I'm still uncomfortable with how wide 8-16 is for an overcall. 8-21 is just undescriptive.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 12:38
Why would I overcall 1♦ with a 4 card suit and 21 hcp?
I will often be passed out here when game is cold.
I will often be passed out here when game is cold.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 13:31
Double and bidding the cheapest number of NT shows about 19 to a bad 21. This is a bad 21 so I would do that.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 13:40
rogerclee, on Mar 1 2010, 02:31 PM, said:
Double and bidding the cheapest number of NT shows about 19 to a bad 21. This is a bad 21 so I would do that.
This is the correct way to show this hand.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 17:48
until you get to the level of expert, never overcall on 4 card suits.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 17:50
wank, on Mar 1 2010, 06:48 PM, said:
until you get to the level of expert, never overcall on 5 card suits.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
Presumably you meant 4 card suits.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 17:57
wank, on Mar 1 2010, 11:48 PM, said:
until you get to the level of expert, never overcall on 5 card suits.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
I am not quite sure I'd advise leaving it until expert level - but certainly only overcalling 5 card suits is the place to start - and some would be reluctant anyway.
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 18:05
PhantomSac, on Mar 1 2010, 06:50 PM, said:
wank, on Mar 1 2010, 06:48 PM, said:
until you get to the level of expert, never overcall on 5 card suits.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
Presumably you meant 4 card suits.
Well, depends. LOL
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Posted 2010-March-01, 18:06
rogerclee, on Mar 1 2010, 02:31 PM, said:
Double and bidding the cheapest number of NT shows about 19 to a bad 21. This is a bad 21 so I would do that.
Not sure I agree that this is that bad of a 21. I might even argue that it is a really good 21, contextually. Of course, that just underlines the hell out of what you said. LOL
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Posted 2010-March-01, 18:59
kenrexford, on Mar 1 2010, 07:06 PM, said:
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Posted 2010-March-01, 19:44
Presumably, as we were asked for a biding plan, pass would be the bid that would bide most! It does risk going all pass, however.
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Posted 2010-March-02, 01:43
Hi,
X.
It is not the worst idea, to have a wide range for 1 level overcalls,
but 21HCP is too much, add the fact that you dont even have a
5 card suit for your 1D overcall, why would you want to overcall 1D?
If 1S comes back (or what ever), I will make another X, most lilkely I
will give up the next round.
With kind regards
Marlowe
X.
It is not the worst idea, to have a wide range for 1 level overcalls,
but 21HCP is too much, add the fact that you dont even have a
5 card suit for your 1D overcall, why would you want to overcall 1D?
If 1S comes back (or what ever), I will make another X, most lilkely I
will give up the next round.
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2010-March-02, 02:18
PhantomSac, on Mar 1 2010, 06:50 PM, said:
wank, on Mar 1 2010, 06:48 PM, said:
until you get to the level of expert, never overcall on 5 card suits.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
if you have more than around 16 or 17 points, you should normally start with a take-out double.
Presumably you meant 4 card suits.
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