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Just thought I'd share a modification to symmetric relay that I'm playing now, which makes opener declarer more often in notrump and heart contracts than the standard symmetric relays, while giving up little/nothing.
1♣-1♠ = any 4432 + any 4333 + any 5♥332 + any 5m332♥ (or red suits)
1NT-
2♦ 4-5♥
2♥ 2♥
2♠ (433)3
2NT 2533/3334
3♣+ (4432), 3♥
-1NT-2♦-2♥
2♠ 4♥, 2-3-4 other suits
2NT 35(23)
3♣+ 4♥, 4-3-2 other suits
-1NT-2♥-2♠
2NT 32(35)
3♣+ (4432), 2♥
All patterns resolved lowest integer representation first / high shortness first.
Steps can be shifted one down in one-suited auctions where the (5332) hand would respond 1♠, e.g. 3631 is now shown via a 3♦ bid rather than a 3♥ bid (rightsiding hearts).
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Posted 2010-February-28, 00:17
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Posted 2010-February-28, 00:54
I like yours but I'm not sure i fully understand how things resolve. Would you mind writing it out a little further?
I posted this in a recent thread. It doesn't do as well with hearts, but it handles bal with 4 spades pretty well (except thpse with hearts)...
1S-bal w/ 4 hearts, D/C, D, 3
.....2C-D/C
.....2D-bal with 4 hearts
.....2H-3, short M
.....2S-D, higher
1N-H, H/C
2C-H/D
2D-C
2H-bal w/ 4 spades, not hearts
.....opener can relay with either 2S or 2N
2S-bal w/ minors
2N-3334
3C-3343
I posted this in a recent thread. It doesn't do as well with hearts, but it handles bal with 4 spades pretty well (except thpse with hearts)...
1S-bal w/ 4 hearts, D/C, D, 3
.....2C-D/C
.....2D-bal with 4 hearts
.....2H-3, short M
.....2S-D, higher
1N-H, H/C
2C-H/D
2D-C
2H-bal w/ 4 spades, not hearts
.....opener can relay with either 2S or 2N
2S-bal w/ minors
2N-3334
3C-3343
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Posted 2010-February-28, 01:45
The one seeming problem with this is your auction:
1♣-1♠
1N-2♦
2♥-3♣+
This includes 4♥-(432) which is six patterns.
Note that the other 3♣+ resolutions are only three patterns each.
It seems like some balanced shape will be resolving at 3NT, which is rather unfortunate.
1♣-1♠
1N-2♦
2♥-3♣+
This includes 4♥-(432) which is six patterns.
Note that the other 3♣+ resolutions are only three patterns each.
It seems like some balanced shape will be resolving at 3NT, which is rather unfortunate.
Adam W. Meyerson
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Posted 2010-February-28, 20:05
awm, on Feb 28 2010, 02:45 AM, said:
The one seeming problem with this is your auction:
1♣-1♠
1N-2♦
2♥-3♣+
This includes 4♥-(432) which is six patterns.
Note that the other 3♣+ resolutions are only three patterns each.
It seems like some balanced shape will be resolving at 3NT, which is rather unfortunate.
1♣-1♠
1N-2♦
2♥-3♣+
This includes 4♥-(432) which is six patterns.
Note that the other 3♣+ resolutions are only three patterns each.
It seems like some balanced shape will be resolving at 3NT, which is rather unfortunate.
No, it's only three patterns. This auction is symmetric with 1♣-1♠-1N-2♦-2♥-2♠-2N-3♣+ which also shows 4♥(432), but side suits in the order 2-3-4 as opposed to 4-3-2. It's similar to how reverse relays work. All shapes resolve at 3♥ or lower, and the ones at 3♥ have zoom to min.
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