[kenberg]

The following occured, I was the NT opener:


1NT Pass 2♠ X


The spade bid showed clubs, anything from a sign-off to a slam try.

My Clubs were AKx That's good
My spades were Tyy That's bad.

What I would have liked to do was to warn partner off of 3NT if he was thinking of bidding it on a club fit is found. How to do that?


I showed my club fit (ignoring the double), partner bid 3NT, I made it on a fluke.

Later I was thinking that perhaps it should be:

Pass: No club fit. Responder can bid 2NT (invit) or 3C (sign off) or something else depending on his hand

2NT: Club fit without much in spades. Responder can play whatever number of clubs he wants from his side.

3C: Club fit with spade stop. Responder can comfortably bid 3NT if a club fit is enough.

I can't recall seeing this discussed. Does it sound sensible? Is there a standard agreement after the double of a minor suit transfer?

[whereagles]

I once saw some method by Klinger that dealt with this. It went like this or something...

1N pass 2♠ (clubs) dbl

now..

pass = no stop. pard redoubles to ask for opener's normal rebid or bids nat
rdbl = proposal to play there
other = normal rebid with club stop

[Free]

whereagles, on Mar 12 2010, 09:42 PM, said:

I once saw some method by Klinger that dealt with this. It went like this or something...

1N pass 2♠ (clubs) dbl

now..

pass = no stop. pard redoubles to ask for opener's normal rebid or bids nat
rdbl = proposal to play there
other = normal rebid with club stop

I prefer to bid immediately without the ♠ stop. So:
RDbl = suggestion to play
Pass = ♠ stop, partner can RDbl to ask about my normal rebid
2NT/3♣ = no ♠ stop, normal rebid

The reason why I prefer "fast action denies stop" is because it's useful to show your ♣ support immediately when opps might support and partner has a guess. With a stopper, opps will support less likely, so you have more time.

[Fluffy]

my meta-agreements are clear: accept the transfer = no fit (maybe xxx with minimum), others= fit

3♣= no fit
2NT= fit and stopper
pass = fit no stopper
XX = to play

[whereagles]

Free, on Mar 15 2010, 01:17 PM, said:

The reason why I prefer "fast action denies stop" is because it's useful to show your ♣ support immediately when opps might support and partner has a guess. With a stopper, opps will support less likely, so you have more time.

Also, it becomes mnemonic with Lebensohl: fast denies stopper.

[kenberg]

My reason for avoiding a 3♣ bid w/o the stopper is that partner may well have something like Kx. In such a case, playing NT is out of the question if I have no stop since I already am established as the declarer, but it might well be good to have clubs played from his side.

Whether it is worth it, considering the load on memory for an infrequent situation, is another matter.

[y66]

I don't have an agreement.

I like Free's variation on Whereagles' suggestions. Both are compatible with BWS. Will incorporate that in my notes.