[straube]

The bidding goes 1D 1H dbl P 2C 3H P 4H 5C P

Obviously the 5C bidder is sacrificing. Is the pass forcing?

My argument is no because the 5-level looks not possible for our side as both partners have
limited their hand. I think this auction is similar to...

1S P 2S P 3S P 4S 5C P

The spade bidders aren't going to the 5-level, so dbl ought to be an opinion that 5C is going down.

Agree or disagree?

[pooltuna]

straube, on Feb 26 2010, 09:50 AM, said:

The bidding goes 1D 1H dbl P 2C 3H P 4H 5C P

Obviously the 5C bidder is sacrificing. Is the pass forcing?

My argument is no because the 5-level looks not possible for our side as both partners have
limited their hand. I think this auction is similar to...

1S P 2S P 3S P 4S 5C P

The spade bidders aren't going to the 5-level, so dbl ought to be an opinion that 5C is going down.

Agree or disagree?

IMO not forcing and should be unclear who is making what. Yes, X is an opinion that it is not making but it is too dangerous to try and transfer the responsibility to partner in nebulous auctions like this.

[kfay]

Disagree!! Why says this is an obvious sac? I'm certainly not convinced.

[jdonn]

kfay, on Feb 26 2010, 12:20 PM, said:

Disagree!! Why says this is an obvious sac? I'm certainly not convinced.

Because 2♣ was not forcing?

[kfay]

jdonn, on Feb 26 2010, 12:38 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 26 2010, 12:20 PM, said:

Disagree!!  Why says this is an obvious sac?  I'm certainly not convinced.

Because 2♣ was not forcing?

Does that mean I'm not allowed to have a good hand or something?

Also it's not really like 3♥ promises the world's fair.

[jdonn]

kfay, on Feb 26 2010, 01:00 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 26 2010, 12:38 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 26 2010, 12:20 PM, said:

Disagree!!  Why says this is an obvious sac?  I'm certainly not convinced.

Because 2♣ was not forcing?

Does that mean I'm not allowed to have a good hand or something?

Also it's not really like 3♥ promises the world's fair.

What 3♥ promises doesn't matter. What we know is opener doesn't have a game forcing hand but bid game anyway (and didn't even double instead to show maximum strength in context with normal distribution.) Hmmmm....

[aguahombre]

Think it was Josh, on another string, who likes to limit the number of "forcing pass" situations he is faced with.

I don't think this pass is forcing. I think it does suggest that his previous bidding was not based on "the nuts", but rather it is more likely from his standpoint 5C is not a sac. Double, would be the opposite clue.

[jdonn]

I wasn't specifically trying to argue pass is forcing, I was answering the question "why is this an obvious sac?"