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Posted 2010-February-25, 18:00
You pass in second seat and auction proceeds... What do you do here?
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Posted 2010-February-25, 18:02
I've always been a believer in passing. You could miss a game but bidding anything just leads to a minus way too often. Even though partner could have 17 (or even 18), it is quite infrequent relative to how often he has normal minimums.
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Posted 2010-February-25, 19:37
3♣. I don't think the risk of going minus (in 3♣ as opposed to 2♣) is that big, and we need to be bidding our games at IMPs. 3♣ seems the least flawed forward-going move.
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Posted 2010-February-25, 19:46
my partners could have 5332 balanced with 16-17 HCP, and I'd still pass.
If having to act I believe 2NT is the only alternative
If having to act I believe 2NT is the only alternative
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Posted 2010-February-25, 20:52
Ya pass. I suspect you're posting this because you made game or partner has a stiff x in spades and you had play for slam or something. Missing game in a minor isn't so big a crime. But getting a plus score is often really good.
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Posted 2010-February-25, 21:09
Depends whether 2C is forcing or not, (and "yes"), some do play it as forcing.
2H if it is forcing - giving false preference. and pass if it is not.
2H if it is forcing - giving false preference. and pass if it is not.
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Posted 2010-February-25, 21:34
I join the passers....
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Posted 2010-February-25, 22:58
I think the pass is easy because the alternatives are all so awful.
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Posted 2010-February-26, 04:29
jdonn, on Feb 26 2010, 05:58 AM, said:
I think the pass is easy because the alternatives are all so awful.
Agree completely
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Posted 2010-February-26, 08:45
Little Kid, on Feb 25 2010, 07:00 PM, said:
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(Pass)-Pass-(Pass)-1♥
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You pass in second seat and auction proceeds... What do you do here?
Choice for calls IMO are pass, 2♦, & 3♣. You are just strong enough to have a problem as partner could have reasonable values for 2♣. As we are V @ IMPs I would try 2♦ maybe that will give partner the info he needs to risk 3NT
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Posted 2010-February-27, 02:17
El Paso. EZ bid. Not enuf for 2NT. ♠'s way too weak to rebid. 3♣?? really, am I worried about missing game? Need to pass fairly quickly since I don't want to bar pard from competing with 3♣. I'm sure not going to take any push with dubious trump length.
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Posted 2010-February-27, 04:34
pass but the hog's 2♥ is also OK. this hand shows that people playing jump shifts as 14-16 with 55 sometimes get the last laugh.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-February-27, 05:01
If I were going to bid, I'd bid 3♣. I don't understand 2♥ at all. If we're keeping the bidding open in the hope of making game, we should bid a strain which we actually have some interest in playing in.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-February-27, 13:19
gnasher, on Feb 27 2010, 06:01 AM, said:
If I were going to bid, I'd bid 3♣. I don't understand 2♥ at all. If we're keeping the bidding open in the hope of making game, we should bid a strain which we actually have some interest in playing in.
What do you think about 2D? Do you play that natural by a PH? Seems like a reasonable way to keep the auction alive, though it might dissuade partner from bidding 3C with a 5-5-2-1 max since it sounds like you're 5-5 probably.
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Posted 2010-February-27, 14:40
Yeah, I thought about 2♦. I'm not sure what it is/should be though by PH, don't have much experience with fsf after passing.
I also agree with gnasher that 2♥ is awful. If you want to give yourself the best chance of going plus, easy pass. If you want to bid for game, bid 3♣ or 2NT or 2♦ or something. Not hearts!
I also agree with gnasher that 2♥ is awful. If you want to give yourself the best chance of going plus, easy pass. If you want to bid for game, bid 3♣ or 2NT or 2♦ or something. Not hearts!
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Posted 2010-February-27, 14:51
I hadn't noticed I was a passed hand.
If 2♦ is natural, I think it should be 5-5, or at worst a concentrated 5-4.
However, I don't think I've ever agreed to play it as natural - on the rare occasions that I've discussed fourth suit by a passed hand, I've agreed it as still FSF, but not game-forcing.
If 2♦ is natural, I think it should be 5-5, or at worst a concentrated 5-4.
However, I don't think I've ever agreed to play it as natural - on the rare occasions that I've discussed fourth suit by a passed hand, I've agreed it as still FSF, but not game-forcing.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-February-27, 15:08
gnasher, on Feb 27 2010, 03:51 PM, said:
If 2♦ is natural, I think it should be 5-5, or at worst a concentrated 5-4.
Yeah I definitely agree, but obv there is no perfect or even close to good bid on this hand (like I think 3C should always have 4, 2H should be 2, 2N should be stronger, etc), just thought it was an option if we are gonna bid.
Also I think most people would play it as FSF like you, I usually play it as nat though in this auction.
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Posted 2010-February-27, 16:34
Just flaunting:
If you play a simple transfer-scheme, where 1nt by opener is transfer to clubs, you can simply bid 2♣. Now partner will bid on a lot of hands that will make game. And certainly on all those that would bid over 2♥.
If you play a simple transfer-scheme, where 1nt by opener is transfer to clubs, you can simply bid 2♣. Now partner will bid on a lot of hands that will make game. And certainly on all those that would bid over 2♥.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2010-February-28, 00:46
Well I sure prefer 3♣ to 2♥, why would I look for the worst fit possible?
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