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#1 User is offline   Rodney26 

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Posted 2010-February-22, 19:29

All Vul, MP; dealer; club level of play (i.e. weakish field, opps unknown):

KJ
A
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Your plan is (assuming partner bids 1M and silent opps):

A. 1C followed by 2C
B. 1C followed by 3C
C. 1D followed by 2C
D. 1C followed by 2D
E. Some other plan
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Posted 2010-February-22, 19:29

1C then 2C, not remotely close to anything else.
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Posted 2010-February-22, 19:30

Lemme guess...you opened 1N?
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Posted 2010-February-22, 19:31

Out of your 4 choices, I think D is the standout.

That's not to say I am particularly happy about it. But opening 1NT is too rich for my blood.
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Posted 2010-February-22, 19:44

Rodney26, on Feb 22 2010, 08:29 PM, said:

All Vul, MP; dealer; club level of play (i.e. weakish field, opps unknown):

KJ
A
AKT7
T86532

Your plan is (assuming partner bids 1M and silent opps):

A. 1C followed by 2C
B. 1C followed by 3C
C. 1D followed by 2C
D. 1C followed by 2D
E.  Some other plan

option A


I can really understand opening up 1nt if your style is to open up alot of offshape 14-16 no trump deals.

If I cant open 1nt these 14-16 hcp hands are a real headache for me.
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Posted 2010-February-22, 19:48

You have to 1 then 2. It's unfortunate that it's very possible that could work out badly but the alternatives are definitely worse.
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Posted 2010-February-22, 20:30

This seems to be a pure Hobson's Choice problem. You don't like 1...2, and you do technically have options, but you kind of end up with the obvious, like it or not.
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Posted 2010-February-22, 20:49

Clear 1C opening, followed by 2C. Don't like 1NT.
With 4/5 ms would open 1D
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Posted 2010-February-22, 21:37

A or A
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Posted 2010-February-23, 01:34

Option A by a mile. 1 followed by 2 is a massive overbid-this is nowhere near good enough for a reverse.
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Posted 2010-February-23, 01:37

Hi,

1C followed by 2C.

If you play, that you open hands with 5 clubs and 4 diamonds
with 1D, than you may want to treat the club suit as a 5 carder,
I would say, this would be reasonable, but be sure, that p knowes,
that you open 1D with 5 clubs and 4 diamonds.
Playing with a pickup p, the needed assumption is clearly not fullfilled.

Anything else is just ...

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Posted 2010-February-23, 01:52

I know I like my openings a little lighter than most (and my responses correspondingly better - no random 4-counts!) but I didn't expect to be quite this alone.
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Posted 2010-February-23, 03:00

Siegmund, on Feb 23 2010, 02:52 AM, said:

I know I like my openings a little lighter than most (and my responses correspondingly better - no random 4-counts!) but I didn't expect to be quite this alone.

I think you are misevaluating this hand. Or you are playing very light reverses.
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Posted 2010-February-23, 03:16

Siegmund, on Feb 23 2010, 02:52 AM, said:

I know I like my openings a little lighter than most (and my responses correspondingly better - no random 4-counts!)

Off on a tangent here, but this word 'correspondingly' makes no sense to me. Having a light opening style by no means implies that you need full values to respond. Indeed, playing a conservative style by responder can undo a lot of the benefits you have gained by getting into the auction early.

FWIW I don't hate the reverse on the actual hand here (and if the honors were in our long suits I would prefer it).
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Posted 2010-February-23, 04:18

655321, on Feb 23 2010, 04:16 AM, said:

(and if the honors were in our long suits I would prefer it).

Small difference?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-23, 09:37

What exactly does "It's not a lie if you believe it" mean? That seems to be a lie to me, and I don't believe it.
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Posted 2010-February-23, 10:01

Rodney26, on Feb 22 2010, 08:29 PM, said:

All Vul, MP; dealer; club level of play (i.e. weakish field, opps unknown):

KJ
A
AKT7
T86532

Your plan is (assuming partner bids 1M and silent opps):

A. 1C followed by 2C
B. 1C followed by 3C
C. 1D followed by 2C
D. 1C followed by 2D
E. Some other plan

depends on your mood if you want to complicate your life then anything but A :)
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Posted 2010-February-23, 10:02

jjbrr, on Feb 23 2010, 05:37 PM, said:

What exactly does "It's not a lie if you believe it" mean? That seems to be a lie to me, and I don't believe it.

Off topic: It's a good songtitle.
Something like the line: "that seems to be a lie to me, and I don't believe it" must also be in that song.
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Posted 2010-February-23, 10:57

I vote for "if you haven't seen it it's new to you."
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Posted 2010-February-23, 11:27

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