A GF auction
#22
Posted 2010-February-22, 21:32
PhantomSac, on Feb 22 2010, 10:28 PM, said:
Fluffy, on Feb 22 2010, 10:14 PM, said:
If after 3♠ either west or east knows that spades is the right strain they both have to hide it and fake a fictional fit in clubs, but later stablishing the contract in spades.
Huh? If west loves spades he can just bid 4D over 3S. Why would rebidding his suit be coming in spades?
Yeah, this sounds rather odd.
If either side knows that spades should be trumps, then there is no way to say that except to show clubs, temporarily burying the spades, and then later emerging with a revealing spade bid.
What?!?!?
I thought I was esoteric.
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#23
Posted 2010-February-22, 23:03
I like 4D as COG. The "I don't know what to do" bid gives more meaning to every other bid. Ed Mansfield wrote an article on how using the opponent's cue bid in this manner improved the auctions and I've used it successfully myself. He didn't talk about using an impossible strain in the same manner, but the opponents shouldn't have to have overcalled for us to use their suit to our benefit. Ed Mansfield also discussed the relative unimportance of having keycard in such auctions (where two or three strains are possible). He didn't say it was unimportant, but that it was less important. Also, while 4D threatens to pass an acceptable strain, partner can force with 5D to say "We're going to slam. Bid the first strain that you would consider."
#24
Posted 2010-February-23, 04:55
kenrexford, on Feb 23 2010, 03:32 AM, said:
PhantomSac, on Feb 22 2010, 10:28 PM, said:
Fluffy, on Feb 22 2010, 10:14 PM, said:
If after 3♠ either west or east knows that spades is the right strain they both have to hide it and fake a fictional fit in clubs, but later stablishing the contract in spades.
Huh? If west loves spades he can just bid 4D over 3S. Why would rebidding his suit be coming in spades?
Yeah, this sounds rather odd.
If either side knows that spades should be trumps, then there is no way to say that except to show clubs, temporarily burying the spades, and then later emerging with a revealing spade bid.
What?!?!?
I thought I was esoteric.
bah leave me alone, it was 4 am
#25
Posted 2010-February-25, 23:30
Of the five calls there, natural except 4N, which would be keycard for hearts.
#26
Posted 2010-February-26, 03:01
PhantomSac, on Feb 23 2010, 04:28 AM, said:
Fluffy, on Feb 22 2010, 10:14 PM, said:
If after 3♠ either west or east knows that spades is the right strain they both have to hide it and fake a fictional fit in clubs, but later stablishing the contract in spades.
Huh? If west loves spades he can just bid 4D over 3S.
Unless 4♦ would be choice-of-games.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

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