[TimG]

You hold: ♠Txxxx ♥Kx ♦K9x ♣KTx.

What do you bid after 1♥-1♠-3♦-?

Just a quick check to see what is normal.

[rogerclee]

3H is 100% normal if I'm reading this right (uncontested auction).

[awm]

3♥ is normal on this hand.

The other option is 3NT, but this hand has too many useful kings in partner's suits. It's easy to construct hands where partner has short spades and slam is quite good, whereas 3NT might not even make.

I do think bidding 3NT with a doubleton heart (even honor doubleton) is okay, but a 3NT bid needs more in the blacks and probably slower cards. Something like ♠KT9xx ♥Qx ♦xxx ♣KJx seems more 3NT-ish.

[Jlall]

I don't think I'd ever bid 3N with Kx of hearts, but certainly not with two cards in the red suits, and only 1 black suit card (and even 5 spades!).

This post has been edited by Jlall: 2010-February-22, 14:01

[Fluffy]

I guess the standard is 3♥ here, but I'd bid 4♥.

[TimG]

Jlall, on Feb 22 2010, 03:55 AM, said:

I don't think I'd ever bid 3H with Kx of hearts, but certainly not with two cards in the red suits, and only 1 black suit card (and even 5 spades!).

When this came up, I thought 3♥ was obvious. GIB bid 3♠.

[pooltuna]

TimG, on Feb 22 2010, 07:20 AM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 22 2010, 03:55 AM, said:

I don't think I'd ever bid 3H with Kx of hearts, but certainly not with two cards in the red suits, and only 1 black suit card (and even 5 spades!).

When this came up, I thought 3♥ was obvious. GIB bid 3♠.

gotta show that 5th ♠

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Feb 22 2010, 03:55 AM, said:

I don't think I'd ever bid 3H with Kx of hearts, but certainly not with two cards in the red suits, and only 1 black suit card (and even 5 spades!).

Hrm I have no idea what this means even though I think I know exactly what your answer would be here.

I agree that 3♥ is completely correct but please note the vast majority of bridge players would surely bid 3NT, even some good ones.

[jjbrr]

3♥

[nigel_k]

jdonn, on Feb 23 2010, 04:31 AM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 22 2010, 03:55 AM, said:

I don't think I'd ever bid 3H with Kx of hearts, but certainly not with two cards in the red suits, and only 1 black suit card (and even 5 spades!).

Hrm I have no idea what this means even though I think I know exactly what your answer would be here.

I think it means the 'N' and 'H' keys are next to each other on the keyboard.

[Jlall]

Yep very unfortunate typo there lol. I mean I wouldn't ever bid 3N with Kx of hearts I don't think. Jdonn knows that I in general think the most common error in bridge is bidding 3N too often over a jumpshift, it should be rare and specific.

[MinorKid]

I'll try 4♦

For a hand visualizing a slam , this bid is very clear. I usually choose the best fit trump for a slam.
After that bid partner can start cue-bidding. He should have ♥A and ♦A
If he has no ♠ control then settle for 5♦
As you are in doubt, i often have to make 5♦ 6♦ while others stop 3NT.

[P_Marlowe]

3NT.

It is either 3H or 3NT, I would show the club stopper.
Of course, if p wants to play 3NT, he could bid 3S over 3H,
but on the other hand, he may intend 3S to be a cue for hearts.

3NT it is.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[cherdanno]

P_Marlowe, on Feb 23 2010, 09:07 AM, said:

3NT.

It is either 3H or 3NT, I would show the club stopper.
Of course, if p wants to play 3NT, he could bid 3S over 3H,
but on the other hand, he may intend 3S to be a cue for hearts.

I think 3S shows......spades! (3 of them) I admit you might have to fake it occasionally with 5422 and no club stopper, but it's certainly neither a cue for hearts nor showing a hand without a club stopper.

[jjbrr]

MinorKid, on Feb 23 2010, 07:20 AM, said:

I'll try 4♦

For a hand visualizing a slam , this bid is very clear. I usually choose the best fit trump for a slam.
After that bid partner can start cue-bidding. He should have ♥A and ♦A
If he has no ♠ control then settle for 5♦
As you are in doubt, i often have to make 5♦ 6♦ while others stop 3NT.

Partner hasn't promised 5♦ nor has he denied 6♥ you realize?

[MinorKid]

jjbrr, on Feb 23 2010, 03:05 PM, said:

Partner hasn't promised 5♦ nor has he denied 6♥ you realize?

OK 3♥ then to see if p cues ♠
But if slam is on then i prefer in ♦ rather than in ♥.

[jjbrr]

MinorKid, on Feb 24 2010, 12:12 AM, said:

jjbrr, on Feb 23 2010, 03:05 PM, said:

Partner hasn't promised 5♦ nor has he denied 6♥ you realize?

OK 3♥ then to see if p cues ♠
But if slam is on then i prefer in ♦ rather than in ♥.

I can't figure out why you're so focused on getting to slam. I'm much more concerned with getting to the right game first, which is why I'm supporting ♥ now in case it's right to play in ♥. If we have slam, we can cross that bridge when we get to it, but we're not there yet.

[peachy]

jjbrr, on Feb 23 2010, 03:05 PM, said:

MinorKid, on Feb 23 2010, 07:20 AM, said:

I'll try 4♦

For a hand visualizing a slam , this bid is very clear. I usually choose the best fit trump for a slam.
After that bid partner can start cue-bidding. He should have ♥A and ♦A
If he has no ♠ control then settle for 5♦
As you are in doubt, i often have to make 5♦ 6♦ while others stop 3NT.

Partner hasn't promised 5♦ nor has he denied 6♥ you realize?

Perhaps in a beginner setting, real 4+ card diamonds could be assumed, but not otherwise. Opener could easily have only three diamonds and in some rare cases only two, something like Ax-AQJxxxx-AK-xx. No offense intended for anybody, I remember how scared I was some 30+ years ago when I first used a fake suit to make a GF because nothing else fit the hand.

[MinorKid]

oic now
That depends on what type of 3♦ that is.

My p usually reverses with good suits. Perhaps good 5-5 or more.
So in that case I am just concerning 5♦ 6♦ 7♦

[jdonn]

It's still legal to end up playing in diamonds after bidding 3♥ you know.