[Bbradley62]

Scoring: IMP

Individual tournament, so pickup partnerships

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[helene_t]

4♣-4♥-6♣-6♥
pass-pass-double-a.p.

[pooltuna]

Bbradley62, on Feb 15 2010, 12:04 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: Both Scoring: IMP

♠ 765 ♥ AK96543 ♦ 643 ♣   ♠ QJ982 ♥   ♦   ♣ QT987652 ♠ AK3 ♥ 7 ♦ AQJ87 ♣ AKJ4 ♠ T4 ♥ QJT82 ♦ KT952 ♣ 3

Individual tournament, so pickup partnerships

hmmm...how about
5♣-(5♥)-6♣-(6♥);P(first round control?)-(P)-7♣-(7♥); P-(P)-X-all pass

[aguahombre]

1c (3H) 4H (5H)
6H (P) 6S (P)
7S (X) AP.

Opening lead=club (lightner double).

[cherdanno]

helene_t, on Feb 15 2010, 12:11 PM, said:

4♣-4♥-6♣-6♥
pass-pass-double-a.p.

If you only bid 4♣ at your first turn, I assume you do so with the intention of showing your spade suit later. I think you should follow through on this auction.

[mikegill]

Hmm, I've never bid this way before, but I think I would open 3♣ on the west cards hoping to be able to bid spades freely later. If I pass, I don't think I'm ever going to get the nature of my hand across to partner otherwise. Maybe I'll get to bid Michaels then bid clubs twice voluntarily, but why shouldn't the auction be at the 4-level before it gets back to me the first time? I think opening the West cards 1♣ is silly - partner will never have any idea what I have.

[aguahombre]

Yeh, well I guess my humor needs work, too. Probably only Pooltuna would have known, without a smileyface.

[Bbradley62]

Okay... follow-up... assess blame on:
P (3H) 5D all pass.
I know, it'll add up to more than 100%.

[ArtK78]

Bbradley62, on Feb 15 2010, 01:23 PM, said:

Okay... follow-up... assess blame on:
P (3H) 5D all pass.
I know, it'll add up to more than 100%.

Pass on 5-0-0-8. Truly odd, but I bet there are some players who, not knowing what to do on such an odd hand, would pass vul in first seat at IMPs.

5♦ - certainly a bid that would not have occurred to me. Yes, over a preempt the 5♦ call shows a very good hand. But AQJxx of diamonds? Not in a million years. More like AKJxxxx(xx) of diamonds. And there is no reason why East should be afraid of playing in a black suit.

West's final pass? His initial pass has boxed him into a corner. Bidding at this point could turn a plus into a minus if partner has a hand for his 5♦ call that makes some sense.

I find West's initial action to be hard to justify, but East's 5♦ call to be among the top 10 worst calls of all time.

100% to West. 10000% to East.

[jdonn]

Bbradley62, on Feb 15 2010, 01:23 PM, said:

Okay... follow-up... assess blame on:
P (3H) 5D all pass.
I know, it'll add up to more than 100%.

I think it'll add up to more than 100% for both east and west seperately!!! But put a gun to my head and I blame east more because it's obvious what he should have done differently but not what west should have done differently, just that he should have done something differently.

Btw, are you sure P 3♥ 5♦ P 6♣ is natural and not a cuebid for diamonds?

[pooltuna]

Bbradley62, on Feb 15 2010, 01:23 PM, said:

Okay... follow-up... assess blame on:
P (3H) 5D all pass.
I know, it'll add up to more than 100%.

50.5% to west for not preempting 50.5% to east for not looking up the definition of take-out-double

[cherdanno]

Bbradley62, on Feb 15 2010, 01:23 PM, said:

Okay... follow-up... assess blame on:
P (3H) 5D all pass.
I know, it'll add up to more than 100%.

East had an entirely normal hand for an entirely normal bid (a takeout double). There is no excuse for 5♦.
Pass by West was very wrong IMHO but I could see strong players passing this hand with the intent of guessing what to bid later. So it's misguided but I would never conclude from this one bid that West was a beginner.
So West 80%, East 200%.

[neilkaz]

West should open some number of ♣, either 3,4,or 5.

East has a VERY routine take out double. Was he afraid to double since he had only 3♠? Hmm AKx plus all the extra strength looks OK to me. East's 5♦ bid belongs at a poker table.

Blame 20% West, 80% East.

[ArtK78]

neilkaz, on Feb 15 2010, 03:50 PM, said:

East's 5♦ bid belongs at a poker table.

That is an insult to those of us who play poker.

[bid_em_up]

ArtK78, on Feb 15 2010, 01:34 PM, said:

West's final pass? His initial pass has boxed him into a corner.

I disagree with this assessment. I don't think it makes much difference whether West opens 1♣, 3♣, 4♣, 5♣ or pass. It's not like a random partnership is going to have any methods to describe this hand, so I really cannot find "fault" with whatever choice is made.

The initial pass did not box him into a corner, but East's idiotic 5♦ bid certainly did. Had East made the normal call of double, West can bid 6♣ (assuming he can) as it is practically impossible to have a reasonable auction to arrive in 7♣ when playing with a random partner. East may or may not raise to 7 (I would, looking at the AK♣ and partner just bid 6 on his own).

[ArtK78]

bid_em_up, on Feb 15 2010, 04:28 PM, said:

ArtK78, on Feb 15 2010, 01:34 PM, said:

West's final pass?  His initial pass has boxed him into a corner.

I disagree with this assessment. I don't think it makes much difference whether West opens 1♣, 3♣, 4♣, 5♣ or pass. It's not like a random partnership is going to have any methods to describe this hand, so I really cannot find "fault" with whatever choice is made.

The initial pass did not box him into a corner, but East's idiotic 5♦ bid certainly did. Had East made the normal call of double, West can bid 6♣ (assuming he can) as it is practically impossible to have a reasonable auction to arrive in 7♣ when playing with a random partner. East may or may not raise to 7 (I would, looking at the AK♣ and partner just bid 6 on his own).

West's initial pass boxed him into a corner IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SUBSEQUENT AUCTION. There is no way West can possibly know what to do after 3♥ by LHO and 5♦ by partner.

At least if he had opened the bidding with some number of clubs and then heard his partner bid a natural 5♦ he would be better placed (whether a 5♦ bid by his partner would be natural in any hypothetical bidding sequence is another question).

[Siegmund]

If four of myself are at the table, it begins pass-3♥-X-5♥ and then God only knows what.

There are lots of difficult choices to be made - but as others noted, East not coming up with a takeout double of 3♥ is the most egregious one.

[ggwhiz]

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Okay... follow-up... assess blame on:
P (3H) 5D all pass.
I know, it'll add up to more than 100%.

I make the over/under on assessing blame for this one at 3,500% with 5 diamonds getting the lions share of a couple of thou.