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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2010-February-14, 13:27

w/w MP

KQxx KJxxx KTx A

(1S) ?
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Posted 2010-February-14, 13:35

I am bidding.

2♥ or 1NT I don't mind too much.

Probably 1NT for me.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 13:42

I haven't gotten many good results from overcalling 1NT with a five-card major. For some reason this seems to be quite different from opening 1NT with a five-card major.

Given the vulnerability and form of scoring, I'll try 2♥ rather than pass.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 16:01

1NT>2♥>TOX>pass
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Posted 2010-February-14, 16:09

Although the honors and strength are great for 1NT, I think I would bid 2H. I would bid 1NT with both KQxx KJxxx K10 Ax and KQxx KJxx K10xx A, but the two flaws make me bid 1NT.

Pooltuna's takeout double is silly imo.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 16:14

1NT - for me this is the best description.

The Hearts aren't so wonderful that I can't risk missing out on them.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 16:37

hanp, on Feb 14 2010, 05:09 PM, said:

Although the honors and strength are great for 1NT, I think I would bid 2H. I would bid 1NT with both KQxx KJxxx K10 Ax and KQxx KJxx K10xx A, but the two flaws make me bid 1NT.

Pooltuna's takeout double is silly imo.

and I thought you were mathematically inclined guess not since you are picking on my 3rd choice...maybe I should have added a couple of extra ">"
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Posted 2010-February-14, 16:38

1NT=2♥>>>pass>>>>>>>>>>>anything else
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Posted 2010-February-14, 17:28

With a hand such as this --good spades behind opener -- I have had many successes overcalling a questionable suit at the 2-level rather than passing, bidding 1NT, or doubling. Have no idea what the math is, but until I start getting bad results, am gonna keep doing it.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 18:13

han summed it up well. The offshape 1NT isn't wrong, but isn't necessary, either.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 18:48

2H for me. I can live with 1NT and would certainly not quibble if partner bid it, but I think 2H with this hand and the stiff A of C is preferable.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 18:55

2♥. You don't have to mastermind every hand.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 21:27

I'll confess I don't understand 1NT at all. I realize not wanting to bid a bad suit but 2♥ is still a totally normal bid.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 02:37

I gave this hand to a bunch of top players at the Burlingame regional. Opinions were mixed and almost everyone thought either 2H or 1N was fine; nobody passed.

At the table 1N works better because it makes it much harder for your opponents to bid game in clubs (they are cold for 6C, and in fact the most common result was 5Cx+1).
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Posted 2010-February-15, 04:43

1N for me.

If I overcall 2♥, partner always seems to have 3 spades and defence take 2 aces and 2 spade ruffs off 4♥ with 3N making.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 06:52

jdonn, on Feb 14 2010, 10:27 PM, said:

I'll confess I don't understand 1NT at all. I realize not wanting to bid a bad suit but 2♥ is still a totally normal bid.

Agree with this. Playing 1NT with 54 hearts is not my cup of tea.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 10:53

rogerclee, on Feb 15 2010, 01:37 AM, said:

I gave this hand to a bunch of top players at the Burlingame regional. Opinions were mixed and almost everyone thought either 2H or 1N was fine; nobody passed.

At the table 1N works better because it makes it much harder for your opponents to bid game in clubs (they are cold for 6C, and in fact the most common result was 5Cx+1).

That is why my partner says I have no vision. Should have projected the possibility the opps belong in 6C before lazily overcalling 2H.

It is clearly harder for the opponents to have a proper slam auction after the other side shows a strong notrump. Can I change my vote?
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