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On the light side

Poll: 1D - (2S) - P - (P); ? (54 member(s) have cast votes)

1D - (2S) - P - (P); ?

  1. Pass (11 votes [20.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.37%

  2. Double (25 votes [46.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.30%

  3. 2NT (explain how you play it) (2 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  4. 3C (15 votes [27.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

  5. Other (1 votes [1.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.85%

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Posted 2010-February-12, 21:42

by the way...having trouble constructing a hand that can't open 2NT, but can bid 2NT in a natural way on this auction. Can think of a few which would bid 3NT, but not two.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 22:22

aguahombre, on Feb 12 2010, 10:42 PM, said:

by the way...having trouble constructing a hand that can't open 2NT, but can bid 2NT in a natural way on this auction.  Can think of a few which would bid 3NT, but not two.

Think of balanced 18-19 with something like Axx in spades.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 22:27

think of 2d..alert
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Posted 2010-February-12, 22:41

I would pass without a second thought.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 22:46

655321, on Feb 12 2010, 09:22 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Feb 12 2010, 10:42 PM, said:

by the way...having trouble constructing a hand that can't open 2NT, but can bid 2NT in a natural way on this auction.   Can think of a few which would bid 3NT, but not two.

Think of balanced 18-19 with something like Axx in spades.

maybe that works for you....I get buried when I dont have the strength for the bid and bid anyway....I guess that is why people open 2D with 18 to 19 and don't worry that they might belong at the one-level.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 22:46

MarkDean, on Feb 12 2010, 11:41 PM, said:

I would pass without a second thought.

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Posted 2010-February-12, 23:58

I dislike the double as I think partner will pass and I have little defence.
I do not play 2NT here as natural, as some posters obviously do, but play it as Good/Bad - puppet to 3C unless pd has marked D preference.
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Posted 2010-February-13, 01:37

The_Hog, on Feb 12 2010, 10:58 PM, said:

I dislike the double as I think partner will pass and I have little defence.
I do not play 2NT here as natural, as some posters obviously do, but play it as Good/Bad - puppet to 3C unless pd has marked D preference.

well, good bad is probably more frequently usable than delay unusual...but am stuck with what we use, even though you are probably right. Natural 2NT is far down the list.
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Posted 2010-February-13, 01:45

I play good/bad here too. On hands unsuitable for double with both minors, good = 3♣, bad = pass.
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Posted 2010-February-13, 02:32

Sorry jchiu, but your trap pass was lol
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Posted 2010-February-28, 13:23

:) 3♣ seemed right to me when I saw the hand initially. I don't think it shows extra HCP, just good playing strength, which I have (I would make an unusual 2NT overcall with it, so commiting to the three level isn't at all crazy). Doubling with a void has always seemed to me to be a no-no, and this hand stands as a case in point. Of course, pard could have had a really wicked trump stack, but according to the laws of probability, hands like he actually had are many times more frequent.

On the actual hand, I suppose pard will bid too much and we will go down, but, at least no -870.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 03:30

Siegmund, on Feb 12 2010, 05:30 PM, said:

No unreasonable decisions there, just an unfortunate result, I think.

Passing with one spade trick is unreasonable.
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Posted 2010-March-01, 06:46

How about the basic advice not to reopen with a double when you have a void in their suit?
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Posted 2010-March-01, 07:19

How had a trump helped your prospects? I think this rule is one of the worst rules in bridge....

If they bid to the limit of the LAW (some opps do), the fewer trumps you hold, the more has partner, this cannot be a bad thing.
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Posted 2010-March-03, 12:20

If 2NT is natural over partner's re-opening double, how does that differ from bidding 2NT directly over 2♠?
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Posted 2010-March-03, 13:30

Hi,

I wont Pass.

We play 2NT in this seq. as good-bad, the stronger hands going through 2NT,
so I can bid 3C.

If I dont play good-bad, there is a strong case for passing this one out, since
p may get carried away.

I would open, I have a nice rebid.

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Posted 2010-March-03, 13:43

Bbradley62, on Mar 3 2010, 06:20 PM, said:

If 2NT is natural over partner's re-opening double, how does that differ from bidding 2NT directly over 2♠?

2nt directly promises about 11 hcp. a natural 2nt would be about 8 I think? I am not sure but the point is that 2NT now would just indicate a possible best contract but directly it would show strength and a desire to play 3NT.

But this post is not very helpful since I would never play 2NT as natural after partner's x.
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Posted 2010-March-03, 14:01

dicklont, on Mar 1 2010, 07:46 AM, said:

How about the basic advice not to reopen with a double when you have a void in their suit?

That advice is irrational.

If you are void it is more likely that partner has a stack.

What is partner supposed to do over 2♠ with KQ98xx Kx xx xxx? 3NT?

If he holds this hand (or any similar hand) you will be void quite often.

As long as your partner doesn't convert reopening doubles to penalty doubles on marginal trump holdings, you will be fine. He should not be depending upon you for trumps.
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Posted 2010-March-03, 14:42

X unless playing good bad 2N.

I don't agree with the P hold K9XX of spades though, with so much on the side in clubs...
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