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Fluffy, on Feb 9 2010, 02:47 PM, said:
I often tank a lot before dediding how high I am going to risk a preempt to put pressure on opps, I thought it was completelly legitimate thing to do O_o
it is!
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Posted 2010-February-09, 15:32
it is!
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Posted 2010-February-09, 15:34
Mike,
An analagous situation to the cardplay one would be tank passing with 1444 0 count or something. Obv there's no bridge reason to think there.
Fluffy,
I also usually think for a reasonable amount of time before deciding how high to preempt. I think judging whether to pass/bid 3/bid 4/bid 5 is a pretty key decision in the hand, and every hand is different so it's not like you can build a database in your head for what to do on various hand types (obv you can group them some though). Maybe that's why I was really surprised by this thread.
All,
As everyone says, the laws are pretty clear on this.
An analagous situation to the cardplay one would be tank passing with 1444 0 count or something. Obv there's no bridge reason to think there.
Fluffy,
I also usually think for a reasonable amount of time before deciding how high to preempt. I think judging whether to pass/bid 3/bid 4/bid 5 is a pretty key decision in the hand, and every hand is different so it's not like you can build a database in your head for what to do on various hand types (obv you can group them some though). Maybe that's why I was really surprised by this thread.
All,
As everyone says, the laws are pretty clear on this.
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Posted 2010-February-10, 11:22
thinking about how high - legitimate.
spending time without thinking about how high - possibly legitimate (if you are "maintaining tempo").
spending time without thinking about how high, *for the purpose of putting pressure on the opponents* - not legitimate.
In addition to L73D2 (quoted here), these sentences from L73D1 are appropriate:
"It is desirable, though not always required, for players to maintain steady tempo and unvarying manner. However, players should be particularly careful when variations may work to the benefit
of their side."
"tank[ing ...] to put pressure on the opponents" is clearly not being "particularly careful...", just the opposite in fact.
In response to Justin, there's a difference between preempting and raising a preempt. Maybe he also "thinks for a reasonable time" before deciding how high to raise the preempt (and if he does, I'm *sure* he does it in a "steady and unvarying manner") - but a lot fewer do than think about whether to open 3D or 4D. The reason I'm *not* surprised about this thread is that it's a very effective maneuver (tanking and making a minimum raise of 2M with a hand where the opps likely have a game), many people know this, *and* everybody knows at least one player they wouldn't be surprised to find out does it deliberately.
spending time without thinking about how high - possibly legitimate (if you are "maintaining tempo").
spending time without thinking about how high, *for the purpose of putting pressure on the opponents* - not legitimate.
In addition to L73D2 (quoted here), these sentences from L73D1 are appropriate:
"It is desirable, though not always required, for players to maintain steady tempo and unvarying manner. However, players should be particularly careful when variations may work to the benefit
of their side."
"tank[ing ...] to put pressure on the opponents" is clearly not being "particularly careful...", just the opposite in fact.
In response to Justin, there's a difference between preempting and raising a preempt. Maybe he also "thinks for a reasonable time" before deciding how high to raise the preempt (and if he does, I'm *sure* he does it in a "steady and unvarying manner") - but a lot fewer do than think about whether to open 3D or 4D. The reason I'm *not* surprised about this thread is that it's a very effective maneuver (tanking and making a minimum raise of 2M with a hand where the opps likely have a game), many people know this, *and* everybody knows at least one player they wouldn't be surprised to find out does it deliberately.
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