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#1 User is offline   MFA 

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Posted 2010-February-04, 05:03

Scoring: IMP

Pass - (2♠) - X - (pass)
??


2♠ shows 7-10. They have a fertilizer available for the really crappy hands.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 05:07

I would pass. Bidding almost surely leads to -100 or worse, so if they make it about one third of the time you are not doing so badly by passing.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 05:23

pass, I see no happiness down the road if I bid now. Thanks for all the spots!
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Posted 2010-February-04, 05:25

Pass, could be worse.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 05:33

2NT scrambling. I am not going to pass.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 05:45

Happy to pass, aiming for the safe haven of -470 :)

Anyway, they haven't made it yet (though they often will), and if the 2♠ bidder guarantees values it is very easy for RHO to double us.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 08:10

I scramble.

I can construct too many hands where 2 ♠ makes. And I am not afraid that they can double so easily. East did not redouble and he does not know that his partner has his high cards outside spades. So he can count for at most one trick from partner and needs four in his own hand to double.

Surely possible. But with such a hand 2 X is a disaster too.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 08:12

What's this scrambling talk, people don't play lebensohl?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 08:15

MFA, on Feb 4 2010, 06:03 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Pass - (2♠) - X - (pass)
??


2♠ shows 7-10. They have a fertilizer available for the really crappy hands.

well it is either pass or 3♣. Having seen some of the TOX advocated here over 2 level preempts it is not going to be pretty. I try 3♣ it will be harder for RHO to X after his partner's preempt.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 08:23

Pass. Likely that RHO will double us if we bid, and even if we do (assuming Lebensohl) I have no idea how we're ever going to find our fit...if we have any that is.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 08:39

I have suffered enough 2♠x= or +1 on hands like this to not pass. Every lead up to dummy will work, and the trump finesse through me is marked. So we are getting two trumps on defense, and ... four side suit tricks? I doubt it.

I choose 3♣ as the least of evils. -200 beats -470. Heck, -500 beats -570.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 08:51

Pass, I don't really think this is close (especially at these colors).
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Posted 2010-February-04, 09:36

I don't think righty doubles nearly as often as everyone suggests.

I still pass, but I don't really like it.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 09:49

What's this 3C talk, people don't play lebensohl?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 09:50

hanp, on Feb 4 2010, 10:49 AM, said:

What's this 3C talk, people don't play lebensohl?

lol
OK
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Posted 2010-February-04, 10:09

I swear on my life that I would have truly believed this would be unanimous for pass, in fact I was going to ask mfa why he posted it.

I like the 2NT scrambling "I play whatever convention helps me most on the current hand even if no one plays it" convention.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 10:16

jdonn, on Feb 4 2010, 04:09 PM, said:

I swear on my life that I would have truly believed this would be unanimous for pass,

I agree (replacing your life with mine) - I am really surprised too.

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Posted 2010-February-04, 10:31

fred, on Feb 4 2010, 11:16 AM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 4 2010, 04:09 PM, said:

I swear on my life that I would have truly believed this would be unanimous for pass,

I agree (replacing your life with mine) - I am really surprised too.

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Interesting. I guess I have something to learn here.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 10:40

Scoring: IMP

Pass - (2♠) - X - (pass)
Pass


Ok-ok, maybe the hand was more curious than it was difficult. I wanted to see if somebody would 'chicken out' in here. A few did.
2♠ is maybe a favourite to make, but still it must be best to pass imo. A somewhat unusual situation.

2♠X was the final contract at 4 out of 12 tables, but declarer only went down at our table.
Does anyone have a guess as to what might have happened at the other three tables in 2♠X where declarer took 8 tricks?

Here it went

♦K to the ace.
♠ to Q and ace.
♠ to the 9.
♣ through.
2 club tricks, 1 heart trick and there was no trump coup at the end.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 10:44

I absolutely hate passing, but I don't see any reasonable alternative.

Fully expecting to go -470.
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