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Posted 2010-February-01, 07:50
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Posted 2010-February-01, 07:56
1♦-1♥
3♦-4♦*
5♣**-blahblahblah
*forcing, 4♣ would be CoG
**exclusion
3♦-4♦*
5♣**-blahblahblah
*forcing, 4♣ would be CoG
**exclusion
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Posted 2010-February-01, 08:47
Hi,
1D (1) - 1H
2D (2) - 3NT (3)
4D (4) - 5C (5)
5D (6) - Pass (7)
(1) SAYC style
(2) the suit is not good, it is a 7 carder, but ..., AKQ is also not
brilliant, ok it is since it is in p suit, but I dont think I would bid 3D
(3) due to a lack of alternatives, 3D being NF, and I have a bal. hand
(4) ... or Pass, 3NT should show at least 2 diamonds, so we have a
9 card fit, but Pass is an real option
(5) First round control, denies first / second round control in the majors
should also show some life, but not necessarilly AK in diamonds
(6) The Ace of spades is missing, p will have a top honor in diamonds, but
both? And the club values are pure wastage
(7) one did everything one could
With kind regards
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1D (1) - 1H
2D (2) - 3NT (3)
4D (4) - 5C (5)
5D (6) - Pass (7)
(1) SAYC style
(2) the suit is not good, it is a 7 carder, but ..., AKQ is also not
brilliant, ok it is since it is in p suit, but I dont think I would bid 3D
(3) due to a lack of alternatives, 3D being NF, and I have a bal. hand
(4) ... or Pass, 3NT should show at least 2 diamonds, so we have a
9 card fit, but Pass is an real option
(5) First round control, denies first / second round control in the majors
should also show some life, but not necessarilly AK in diamonds
(6) The Ace of spades is missing, p will have a top honor in diamonds, but
both? And the club values are pure wastage
(7) one did everything one could
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2010-February-01, 09:11
If north rebids 3D south will drive to slam. If north rebids 2D it will be tough.
With such potential for diamonds I think it is a good to rebid 3D.
With such potential for diamonds I think it is a good to rebid 3D.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-01, 11:19
I would rebid only 2♦ as N; not really against 3♦, but if p. can bid again, I'll be way better placed. My plan is to show ♥ support after anything prd. bids, including 3nt. This has to show a distributional hand with extra values.
Prd, looking at his prime values, may well be driving for ♦ slam via some Q-bidding starting with 5♣.
Prd, looking at his prime values, may well be driving for ♦ slam via some Q-bidding starting with 5♣.
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Posted 2010-February-01, 12:00
I hate to be the guy that justifies a bid this way, but it's a 4 loser hand. Don't losing-trick-count-gurus site a 7 loser hand as a minimum opening bid? I just don't see rebidding 2♦.
Btw if I did rebid 2♦ and partner bid 3NT I would bid 4♥ as north. I still wouldn't see myself finding slam though.
Btw if I did rebid 2♦ and partner bid 3NT I would bid 4♥ as north. I still wouldn't see myself finding slam though.
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Posted 2010-February-01, 12:32
hanp, on Feb 1 2010, 10:11 AM, said:
If north rebids 3D south will drive to slam. If north rebids 2D it will be tough.
With such potential for diamonds I think it is a good to rebid 3D.
With such potential for diamonds I think it is a good to rebid 3D.
rebidding 2D would be absurd
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Posted 2010-February-01, 12:46
This might be a touch cooked, but...
1♦ (2+, big club style) - 1♥
3♦ (good max, 7 card suit or great 6) - 3♠ (forcing, stopper ask/diamond slam try)
3NT - 6NT (partner bid 3♦ missing the AK of diamonds and clubs?! He's gotta have controls in both majors and likely one ace, I can't construct a hand that would rebid 3♦ where 6♦/6NT won't have a chance)
Maybe try 4♦ after 3NT instead, then exclusion etc...
I'm also unsure whether I'd open that a big club or not, but I can describe my hand by rebidding 3♦ so I'm content with that.
My standard auction is the same as Helene's.
1♦ (2+, big club style) - 1♥
3♦ (good max, 7 card suit or great 6) - 3♠ (forcing, stopper ask/diamond slam try)
3NT - 6NT (partner bid 3♦ missing the AK of diamonds and clubs?! He's gotta have controls in both majors and likely one ace, I can't construct a hand that would rebid 3♦ where 6♦/6NT won't have a chance)
Maybe try 4♦ after 3NT instead, then exclusion etc...
I'm also unsure whether I'd open that a big club or not, but I can describe my hand by rebidding 3♦ so I'm content with that.
My standard auction is the same as Helene's.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2010-February-01, 13:59
Hi,
the reason I prefer 2D over 3D is actually, that I dont want p
to bid 3NT with an more or less arbitary 8 count.
I think a 3D bid will lead to a lot of hopeless games, but the hand
is certainly a max. for 2D, maybe super max.
It would be a slightly different story, if the 3D rebid would show
6 diamonds and 3 hearts, if this agreement would been in place,
I would rebid 3D instead of 2D.
With kind regards
Marlowe
the reason I prefer 2D over 3D is actually, that I dont want p
to bid 3NT with an more or less arbitary 8 count.
I think a 3D bid will lead to a lot of hopeless games, but the hand
is certainly a max. for 2D, maybe super max.
It would be a slightly different story, if the 3D rebid would show
6 diamonds and 3 hearts, if this agreement would been in place,
I would rebid 3D instead of 2D.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:40
jdonn, on Feb 1 2010, 06:00 PM, said:
I hate to be the guy that justifies a bid this way, but it's a 4 loser hand. Don't losing-trick-count-gurus site a 7 loser hand as a minimum opening bid? I just don't see rebidding 2♦.
Btw if I did rebid 2♦ and partner bid 3NT I would bid 4♥ as north. I still wouldn't see myself finding slam though.
Btw if I did rebid 2♦ and partner bid 3NT I would bid 4♥ as north. I still wouldn't see myself finding slam though.
I am counting 2.5 * 2.5 for a total of 5, I am normall the guy who counts the les losers
.The hand is very rare, I might land in slam but not for the right reasons.
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