[gwnn]

TylerE, on Jan 28 2010, 02:01 PM, said:

For those advocating pass...how much more would yuo need to change your mind?

another Q.

[hotShot]

TylerE, on Jan 28 2010, 03:01 PM, said:

For those advocating pass...how much more would yuo need to change your mind?

Can you tell me how many wasted values partner has in ♥?

[bid_em_up]

Codo, on Jan 28 2010, 09:03 AM, said:

So your lho has 6Hearts. you partner has 4 good or even five ones. Why do you ever want to have a trump to lead one?

I will never understand this argument.

Of course if they had bid 1♦ 1♥ 2♣ all pass, I would like to hav trump to lead. BUT HERE: Why?

Because if we can lead a trump through declarer so that partner can draw two or three trumps out of declarers hand, either immediately or soon after, those are trumps that declarer cannot use to ruff our outside winners later.

[pooltuna]

TylerE, on Jan 27 2010, 09:33 PM, said:

(2♥) - p - (p) - ?

♠ AQxxx
♥ -
♦ Jxxx
♣ xxxx

IMPs, NV vs V

Rate: Pass, X, 2♠

Pass>>>2♠>>X

[pooltuna]

TylerE, on Jan 28 2010, 09:01 AM, said:

For those advocating pass...how much more would yuo need to change your mind?

another K instead of the J♦

[jdonn]

I bid 2♠. Double is understandable to me. Pass is a completely unreasonable amount of fear.

[gnasher]

I don't think it's fear that makes one pass, so much as the expectation that both 2♥ and 2♠ will go off, and that if 2♠ is making partner will bid something that isn't.

[jdonn]

If you think 2♥ and 2♠ are going off then why wouldn't you double? Partner must be passing it the majority of the time.

[gnasher]

Because expectation is rather different from certainty.

[jdonn]

Full circle, we just got back to the fear thing...

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

2S.

I think 2S is normal, but I understand that it can be seen as overly agressive.
If I dont bid 2S, I would Pass, which I think is overly timid.
X is is just plain stupid and crazy, since what I dont want to play is 2HX.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mikegill]

Note to self: stop attempting to learn from experiences. I had thought double would be rated higher at these colors since partner is more likely to trap pass a borderline hand figuring if he gets +300 against game it's no big deal. What are people's thoughts if you had AQxxx x Jxxx xxx? Is this still a 2♠ or is this now worth a pass?

[Jlall]

mikegill, on Jan 28 2010, 02:56 PM, said:

Note to self: stop attempting to learn from experiences. I had thought double would be rated higher at these colors since partner is more likely to trap pass a borderline hand figuring if he gets +300 against game it's no big deal. What are people's thoughts if you had AQxxx x Jxxx xxx? Is this still a 2♠ or is this now worth a pass?

pass

[hotShot]

mikegill, on Jan 28 2010, 08:56 PM, said:

Note to self: stop attempting to learn from experiences. I had thought double would be rated higher at these colors since partner is more likely to trap pass a borderline hand figuring if he gets +300 against game it's no big deal. What are people's thoughts if you had AQxxx x Jxxx xxx? Is this still a 2♠ or is this now worth a pass?

I might reconsider bidding 2♠ with the original hand, since we are nonvul.
But this hand is significantly weaker and less likely to find a fit.
So this is definitely a pass.

[gwnn]

jdonn I'm not sure I like the choice of words 'fear'. I am not afraid of some evil disaster, I just don't think 2♠ or x have a better expectancy than pass. I don't know why this is based more on fear than, say, choosing not to invite slam on some hand. I know exactly what a fear based decision is because a lot of my bids and plays are unfortunately in this category but this just isn't one.

[Codo]

bid_em_up, on Jan 29 2010, 12:57 AM, said:

Codo, on Jan 28 2010, 09:03 AM, said:

So your lho has 6Hearts. you partner has 4 good or even five ones. Why do you ever want to have a trump to lead one?

I will never understand this argument.

Of course if they had bid 1♦ 1♥ 2♣ all pass, I would like to hav trump to lead. BUT HERE: Why?

Because if we can lead a trump through declarer so that partner can draw two or three trumps out of declarers hand, either immediately or soon after, those are trumps that declarer cannot use to ruff our outside winners later.

Your fear seem to be that declarer can reach dummy sveral times to ruff with his small trumps.
Okay, do you mind to find one hand according to the bidding, where this happens?