[Aberlour10]

These things equal sooner or later. Germany lost WC 1966 by a not existing goal but won twice by dubios penalties 1974 and 1990 vs Argentina...this one was a real joke penaltie! And Argentina was maybe in favor in the final 1978...1990 in Rome they were clear wronged....etc etc. I am sure French team will meet this fate...sooner or later...

[Trinidad]

Aberlour10, on Jan 28 2010, 04:10 PM, said:

These things equal sooner or later. Germany lost WC 1966 by a not existing goal but won twice by dubios penalties 1974 and 1990 vs Argentina...this one was a real joke penaltie! And Argentina was maybe in favor in the final 1978...1990 in Rome they were clear wronged....etc etc. I am sure French team will meet this fate...sooner or later...

Come on.

They never equaled for the Dutch. We just won deservedly in 1988.



Rik

(OK. Russia did play better in the final. But we had Marco van Basten.)

[jdonn]

IMO the referee made the incorrect call.

[kfay]

If I were the Russian player I would miss on purpose in such a case.

Anyway, hard to see how you could miss this goal, all the Russian keeper does is stand there with his arms up every shot then lunge the wrong way. Who is this guy?

[Aberlour10]

Trinidad, on Jan 28 2010, 12:31 PM, said:

We just won deservedly in 1988.

[oft]
All you need.... is to stop fight against yourself inside the dutch team, this cost you 2-3 WC titles till now...but its a completely different problem then we discuss here [oft]

[chasetb]

Getting back to the subject, why can't they use video replay JUST for penalty kicks at major events? I'm sure that while most teams in Africa can't afford the equipment needed for video replay, all of them together could buy it for the African Cup of Nations, just like how UEFA can afford it, CONMEBOL, CONCAFAF, and the other two confederations could as well.

[Cascade]

Anyone know another source for the english video as youtube have taken it down.

[Fluffy]

found this one form a different angle it is much more revealing

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=YQt7_OdyZgo

keywords are "spain russia penalty"

you can see every player pointing to the ceiling where the screen is.

Also note that here you can see the second referee who's only purpose is to look to the line and see if the ball gets in or not. Also note that the primary referee says no without talking to the other.

For an english version:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=hZ3ghBTTn1Q

[Trinidad]

I think it is rather amusing that the commentator starts by saying:
"The bal hit the bar, but has it gone in?" clearly not knowing at that time whether this was a goal or not. And after that he proceeds to say how horrible/ridiculous the officiating was when the referees thought exactly the same.

"Never in a million years that was a miss."

"I can't believe that the only two people who didn't see that one go in are the two referees."

"The most imbecilic decision for quite some time."

etc.

The point is that he saw it exactly as the referees. The rules say: "Don't look at the screens." The referees followed the rules. Blame the rules, not the referees.

Rik

[Winstonm]

Obviously, if a ball does or does not go into a net is reason to riot, stampede, and kill. Next up, Christians/lions at Superbowl halftime show.

[dicklont]

Codo, on Jan 28 2010, 04:30 PM, said:

Do you think that the Netherlands lost 74 because of the referee and his dubios penalty call? Or because they missed the best chances to score?

To get the facts right:
Netherlands lost in 1974 against Germany because the team thought they could afford gallery play after an early lead.
Netherlands lost against Argentina in 1978. In this tournament Argentina played the final after a 6-0 win over Peru that needed bribery.

And by the way: "Es war eine schwalbe."

[Codo]

dicklont, on Jan 29 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

And by the way: "Es war eine schwalbe."

I would think so too, if I had been born some 150 kms farer to the West/South/West...

I have seen the scene a million times. I am still not sure. But if I had been oranje by heart, I had been sure that it was a diver...

But the same is true about the famous Wembley goal from 66. I am QUITE sure that this was no goal. But how to decide withn a fraction of a second. These scenes are close enough so that everybody can understand the descission of the ref.

This is not so true for the goal Gonzalo refers too...

But if memory serves me right, goals like this this had happend quite frequently before- not in football, but in handball...

[dicklont]

Codo, on Jan 29 2010, 04:20 PM, said:

dicklont, on Jan 29 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

And by the way: "Es war eine schwalbe."

I would think so too, if I had been born some 150 kms farer to the West/South/West...

I'm quite aware of the biased view of the soccer fan in such situations.
Therefore I believe that my (or anybodies) opinion is irrelevant.
But I know for a fact that Holzenbein has admitted to his schwalbe in a 2004 Dutch documentary about the WC 1974.

I must admit this is off-topic for noone could ever blame the referee.

[gwnn]

that challenge was very clumsy. he deserved to get a penalty even if there was no contact.

[dicklont]

gwnn, on Jan 30 2010, 12:02 PM, said:

that challenge was very clumsy. he deserved to get a penalty even if there was no contact.

That is nonsense.
Either there is contact and he gets the penalty or there is no contact and he gets nothing.
When you think teams should be punished for clumsy defense you´d better watch gymnastics or figure skating.

Another matter is that a defender should not do things like these because the referee easily misjudges this.

[Al_U_Card]

Ahhhhh football, the REAL world religion.

[gwnn]

I was just saying something like "that overcall was so bad it deserved to go for -1100." If opps double through UI and I go for -1100 and then I call the TD and he foolishly decides to let the score stand (clear judgment error by him), my partner still has a point that my bid was bad and in a way it was justice served. I did not mean to imply that the referee decided correctly.

[Aberlour10]

doesn't matter...if you stand between 3nt and 4d bid in offside.

[dicklont]

gwnn, on Jan 30 2010, 11:44 PM, said:

I was just saying something like "that overcall was so bad it deserved to go for -1100."

Sorry Gwnn, I did not pick-up the irony in you remark.
An explanation with a bridge example seems to work a lot better for me.

[gwnn]

Andy Murray is playing like my grandma today. I think he was bribed. Like the other 15 opponents Fed beat in GS finals.