BBO Discussion Forums: Penalty or take out? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Penalty or take out?

#1 User is offline   Little Kid 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 323
  • Joined: 2008-May-26
  • Location:London
  • Interests:Genetic Engineering, Squash, Languages, Travelling, Table Tennis, Movies, Judo, Swimming, Scuba Diving, Climbing...

Posted 2010-January-26, 07:16

Pass - (Pass) - 1NT - (Double)*
Pass -   (2♣) -  2♦ -   (3♣)
Double

* Double = Opening Hand (1NT is 15/17)

Nobody vul, you pass in first seat. Do you think your final double is for penalties or take out? If it makes a difference, you have no specific agreements as to what XX would have been over the initial double.
♣ Veni, vidi, proficisci ♣
0

#2 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2010-January-26, 07:19

looks like penalty to me. Opener described his hand, he has 15-17 with 5-6 diamonds.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#3 User is offline   Codo 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,373
  • Joined: 2003-March-15
  • Location:Hamburg, Germany
  • Interests:games and sports, esp. bridge,chess and (beach-)volleyball

Posted 2010-January-26, 08:44

Would be take out to me because we have the meta agreement that in doubt all doubles ae take out.
Kind Regards

Roland

Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
0

#4 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2010-January-26, 08:52

I agree but there is no doubt here B)
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#5 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2010-January-26, 09:03

penalty obviously
0

#6 User is offline   pooltuna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,814
  • Joined: 2009-July-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Orleans

Posted 2010-January-26, 09:43

Jlall, on Jan 26 2010, 10:03 AM, said:

penalty obviously

yep and I don't care how partner takes XX
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw
0

#7 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2010-January-26, 10:33

Penalty. Are we waiting till we know which doubleton opener has or can we just stop playing takeout doubles when we are this close to knowing his exact shape?
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#8 User is offline   Tomi2 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 241
  • Joined: 2005-November-07

Posted 2010-January-26, 10:47

Codo, on Jan 26 2010, 09:44 AM, said:

Would be take out to me because we have the meta agreement that in doubt all doubles ae take out.

have same agreement, but there is no doubt,

44 majors you simply bid the bid, that shows 44 majors, stayman or whatever
dia fit and values you bid 3Dia in doubt
this is pure penalty based on good clubs. Doubler has some 15 points with 4 clubs, his partner ran out of the double with any 4333 and close to 0 points and I have 6 or 7 points with QJTx in clubs and probably a king or an ace in a major.
am happy that partner will lead a trump as often as possible and that the hand will have no entry, so dummy will be endplayed all the time. Defense with all points in dummy and knowing pd has the rest will not be too difficult, expect to score plus even when 3nt is making
0

#9 User is offline   neilkaz 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,568
  • Joined: 2006-June-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Barrington IL USA
  • Interests:Backgammon, Bridge, Hockey

Posted 2010-January-26, 11:01

Penalty for sure !
0

#10 User is offline   ni hao 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Yellows
  • Posts: 327
  • Joined: 2010-January-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Shanghai,China

Posted 2010-January-26, 19:05

Penalty for sure

#11 User is offline   peachy 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,056
  • Joined: 2007-November-19
  • Location:Pacific Time

Posted 2010-January-26, 19:13

Clear penalty. It is clear by logic (mine, anyway), don't even need an agreement.
Opener has fully described his hand as 15-17 and 5-6 diamonds so responder is in charge and his choice is to defend 3CX.
0
Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users