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A freak... How would you handle it?

Poll: You'd open... (26 member(s) have cast votes)

You'd open...

  1. ...strong club (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  2. ...strong 2 clubs (9 votes [34.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.62%

  3. ...6 spades (6 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  4. ...7 spades (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  5. ...something else (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

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#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2010-January-25, 21:22

Red vs White:

Pass Pass Pass ...

And you hold:

♠AKQT8xxx
♥
♦
♣AKJxx

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2010-January-25, 21:44

Hanoi5, on Jan 25 2010, 10:22 PM, said:

Red vs White:

Pass Pass Pass ...

And you hold:

♠AKQT8xxx
♥
♦
♣AKJxx

You hold the master suit?

Whap possible purpose would there be to opening with a 6 or 7 bid?

Why not try to find out about the Q♣ or potential club shortness and a couple of spades in dummy?

Why preempt your own side when there is no need to? :D
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Posted 2010-January-25, 21:59

6s
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Posted 2010-January-25, 22:17

How will I ever figure out anything? 7♠
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Posted 2010-January-25, 22:23

jdonn, on Jan 25 2010, 11:17 PM, said:

How will I ever figure out anything? 7♠

Some bidding systems have tools to find things out.....and some don't, I suppose. :D
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Posted 2010-January-25, 22:43

7♠
OK
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:02

masterminding we could open 2♣ then bid clubs, if partner fails to raise we know that he only has doubleton at most, if he raises we have a way to ask for ♣Q with 4NT or kickback.

This risks partner missunderstanding our 6/7♠ bid in the end if he isn't trained with this kind of stuff.
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:11

Fluffy, on Jan 26 2010, 12:02 AM, said:

masterminding we could open 2♣ then bid clubs, if partner fails to raise we know that he only has doubleton at most, if he raises we have a way to ask for ♣Q with 4NT or kickback.

This risks partner missunderstanding our 6/7♠ bid in the end if he isn't trained with this kind of stuff.

So what if he misunderstands?

Just what can partner do over 7 Spades? :D

And please don;t say "Bid 7NT." No just would convict you, even if you were caught holding the bloody hatchet in your hand. :D
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:17

time to invent a convention? 5nt specific Q ask. :D
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:25

Mbodell, on Jan 26 2010, 12:17 AM, said:

time to invent a convention? 5nt specific Q ask. :)

Probably best to set a suit first, THEN ask for specific queens. :D
I'd love to see prtner's face if oyu opened 5NT. :D
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:28

I think that it is unrealistic to assume that you will have the auction to yourself if you open 2♣, or a strong 1♣. There are a lot of red cards out there.

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It is a fact that most people here write as if their opinion is a dogmatic fact.

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My opinion is that this ought to win the award for best self-referential quote of the new year.
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:37

Dirk Kuijt, on Jan 26 2010, 12:28 AM, said:

I think that it is unrealistic to assume that you will have the auction to yourself if you open 2♣, or a strong 1♣.  There are a lot of red cards out there.

Probably not - but why not try? What's to prevent you from bidding 7SP if you cannot get the information you might need to bid to a better contract? (For instance, if partner has a singleton or void in Spades and 3 or 4 Clubs?

If I had only HEARTS, I might want to cut off a possible Spade sacrifice (or make!!!!)

But with Spades, I cannot be preempted. So why not go slowly?
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:53

2C. Normally I don't like this too much on a 2 suited hand. Here I think that if you have the ability to bid the hand slowly, you will even be able to find out if pd has C support. If the opponents pre empt, well you have the boss suit anyway and nothing is lost.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 03:52

sjö spağar

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Posted 2010-January-26, 03:59

I'd open 2♣. I visualise an auction like:

2♣-2♦
3♠-4♠
5♣-5♠
6♣-?

and I've asked the right question, partner will value the Q♣ and bid 7♣ with the Q, length and short spades, 7♠ otherwise with the Q♣, 6♠ if he doesn't have it.

the only time you'll miss a good grand is when he has 5 small clubs, as he doesn't know that you don't have 10 solid spades and AKx.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 06:26

Mbodell, on Jan 26 2010, 05:17 AM, said:

time to invent a convention? 5nt specific Q ask. :)

lol I showed a way to use this long ago, althou I haven't tried yet. After setting up spades as trumps you bid 4NT KCB, if partner bids 5♣/♦ you ask for trump queen wich he denies of course. After the denial you try 5NT wich is specific queen ask.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 06:42

2♣ then 3♠ to set spades then 4NT RKC then 6♣.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 06:56

MFA, on Jan 26 2010, 07:42 AM, said:

2♣ then 3♠ to set spades then 4NT RKC then 6♣.
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exactly.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 09:18

6♠ seems like a proper opening. I don't have the science so 2♣ serves no purpose.

If I decide to play clever I'll open 1♣ as it guarantees that someone is going to bid. Admittedly it only shows 3 so if don't hear partner giving a ♣ fit, I'll have to settle for 6♠. Partner can still show preference with 7♣. B)
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Posted 2010-January-26, 09:18

Hanoi5, on Jan 25 2010, 10:22 PM, said:

Red vs White:

Pass Pass Pass ...

And you hold:

♠AKQT8xxx
♥
♦
♣AKJxx

At these colors you need to prevent the opps finding a save leaving you a guess what to do over 7 of either red suit. Unless you have methods to find the ♣Q opening 2♣ is near pointless.
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