[karlson]

♠-- ♥Q ♦AKxxx ♣AQJxxxx

1♠-p-p to you, w/r at imps.

[TylerE]

2N then 6♣.

[Jlall]

TylerE, on Jan 26 2010, 03:41 PM, said:

2N then 6♣.

lol 2N does not show the minors

[PFormaini]

karlson, on Jan 26 2010, 03:37 PM, said:

♠-- ♥Q ♦AKxxx ♣AQJxxxx

1♠-p-p to you, w/r at imps.

Double -

Then bid Clubs ONCE and Diamonds TWICE - if possible. Or, if one has a bid to show a strong minor 2-suiter, use it.

It all comes down to partnership agreement and System. There is no 'correct' answer.

[jeffford76]

This is why not to play Michaels in balancing seat. 2S now -- any big hand that wouldn't want a double to be passed for penalty, then you can start bidding your suits on the next round.

[Apollo81]

I would double and hope partner doesn't bid hearts at the 5-level or higher after I correct to clubs. Second choice = blast 5♣.

[Echognome]

I would think 4NT would be interpreted either as minors or a big 2-suiter.

Edit: That being said, I wouldn't like the call with a 2-card discrepancy.

[gwnn]

5♣.

there ain't no mountain high enough
there ain't no valley low enough (say it again)
there ain't no river wide enough

to x on a singleton ♥ here

(almost)

[jdonn]

2♣, then hopefully diamonds, then hopefully clubs. Partner will get the message. No I'm not that worried this gets passed out, in fact I expect a lot more bidding. And if it does who's to say it's not right, since in that case partner has a ton of spades and it could be the granddaddy of misfits.

[gnasher]

4♠. Both minors with first-round spade control. What else could it mean?

[Echognome]

gnasher, on Jan 26 2010, 02:47 PM, said:

4♠.  Both minors with first-round spade control.  What else could it mean?

It could mean "I have 7 good spades and I don't care that my LHO has 5 bad ones."

I'm not saying that's how it will be interpreted or if it's useful to have that meaning, but it's certainly a viable one.

Edit: Except for W/R where it would be silly to have it mean that. Oops! R/W maybe.

[jdonn]

How about "both minors without saying anything about first round spade control"?

How about natural (I know that would be goofy at this vul, but it makes sense at others and I don't want to switch for each vul).

How about a super strong hand with just hearts and first round spade control?

Or the same but with hearts and a minor?

[eyhung]

Agree with Josh's plan -- hard to see that the bidding will die when you hold 1 major-suit card (and if it does, it's likely a good stop in a misfit). It is like ju-jitsu, you are using the opponents and their majors against them to gain a "forcing" natural bid.

[Codo]

if your system forbids you to bid 2 NT with this hand (mine does not), simply follow Joshs plan. There are 25 major cards and 24 HCPS out there. This will never ever been passed out.

[Old York]

Codo, on Jan 27 2010, 08:29 AM, said:

if your system forbids you to bid 2 NT with this hand (mine does not), simply follow Joshs plan. There are 25 major cards and 24 HCPS out there. This will never ever been passed out.

Oh yes it would.... I pass now and pass quickly.

I cannot wait to see dummy, and the complete hand.

This is a very dangerous auction, partner probably has spades, and opponents probably have a massive heart fit.
If I bid now, they will always find their hearts, and a xruff will ensue. they could easily make a heart game, with no guarantee of a good fit for our side
The lure of a minor suit slam could easily be an illusion. Why sacrifice at the 5/6 level when passing now could net a good profit?

2NT in protective seat is not UNT, it is natural - usually showing 17-18 or better

Tony

[the hog]

Old York, on Jan 27 2010, 02:55 PM, said:

Codo, on Jan 27 2010, 08:29 AM, said:

if your system forbids you to bid 2 NT with this hand (mine does not), simply follow Joshs plan. There are 25 major cards and 24 HCPS out there. This will never ever been passed out.

Oh yes it would.... I pass now and pass quickly.

snipped

Tony

Do you think they will find their Heart fit over 4NT or 5C?

[Old York]

The_Hog, on Jan 27 2010, 09:43 AM, said:

Do you think they will find their Heart fit over 4NT or 5C?

Both these bids could work well, I agree totally

But there is a danger that any minor suit game/slam could fail if dummy has wasted values in the majors, which imho seems fairly likely

Hope to see the complete hand soon

Tony

[karlson]

I'm not going to predict exactly how the auction will go over x or 2c, but you will probably have a reasonable auction.

You can try one other easy quiz on this hand though. Say you balance with 4n and it goes p 6c p. Kick it in?

Full hand:

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[Old York]

Wow!

Your extreme good fortune is almost unbelievable, partner had the perfect hand.
The last time I played this hand this was the layout.....

Scoring: IMP

Played on Fantasy Island

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Tony

[eyhung]

I think you are grossly overestimating the downside of bidding. It's true that there are some pathological layouts where you will regret having reopened the bidding. But I think it's ridiculously anti-percentage to pass it out in 1S when you are seven-five, at favorable vul so the opponents can't save effectively, and you hold 14 of the working 24 HCP.