[aguahombre]

dealmegold, on Jan 26 2010, 10:52 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 25 2010, 03:10 PM, said:

Abstain. Why did I pass last round! This should be partner's problem over 5♥ not mine.

Edit: Misread auction thought it was 2♥ overcall. Ok in this case I bid 5♠.

OK, so what would a double of the 2S bid show? Surely support?

3H=support lr+.
3s=stretch raise
double=less than 3 in sp, but stuff --cooperative to maybe penalize.
2NT=available for whatever you want it to mean.

[MFA]

jdonn, on Jan 26 2010, 07:54 PM, said:

dealmegold, on Jan 26 2010, 12:52 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 25 2010, 03:10 PM, said:

Abstain. Why did I pass last round! This should be partner's problem over 5♥ not mine.

Edit: Misread auction thought it was 2♥ overcall. Ok in this case I bid 5♠.

OK, so what would a double of the 2S bid show? Surely support?

Surely interest in defending and that you might want to double them.

That's the classic meaning but not the only possible treatment. I have sworn to support doubles after 1M-(2M) for some time. It gives us increased precision when we have a fit, and I think frequency makes this treatment better.

[bid_em_up]

I'm assuming partner did not bid 4♠ on a whim.

Put me down for 5♠.

[barmar]

Partner may already have been bidding your cards when he bid 4♠. He assumes the opponents don't have a bunch of spades when they're bidding like this, so he's counting on you to fill out his suit. And then he may be hoping you have a fit for his minor suit.

You have everything he was hoping for, but no more. And as others have pointed out, he may have been stretching in his 4♠ bid. If you stretch any more, something's likely to break.

[pooltuna]

aguahombre, on Jan 26 2010, 12:30 PM, said:

"No" was ambiguous? You have a hand which would stretch to bid 2S after a 2-level overcall.  It has neither the shape nor the strength to volunteer at the 3-level.  Partner is supposed to have some vague clue as to what your competitive bids show.

hey this hand fits my definition of a constructive raise and that is all I promise when I bid over their michaels call. Consequently IMO this is a mandatory 2♠ call even if you are playing F1NT or semi F1NT.

and No was ambiguous because did it mean the K♣ was badly placed or that you objected to a 5♠ call

[Jlall]

barmar, on Jan 26 2010, 02:33 PM, said:

Partner may already have been bidding your cards when he bid 4♠. He assumes the opponents don't have a bunch of spades when they're bidding like this, so he's counting on you to fill out his suit. And then he may be hoping you have a fit for his minor suit.

You have everything he was hoping for, but no more. And as others have pointed out, he may have been stretching in his 4♠ bid. If you stretch any more, something's likely to break.

Or he may have like AJxxxxx x x AQTx which is not exactly the nuts and 5S and 5H are both cold, all of this being consistent with RHO having a big 2 suiter.