[Stephen Tu]

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$4 flat rake seems pretty lol, I don't see how anyone could possibly beat that.

Maybe you are playing too much online and haven't played against live donks enough? With enough 5-6-way raised/capped pots, the average pots can get large enough that it can be overcome. Maybe for only $4/hr though rather than $6. Vegas rake is basically double of online, but VPIP of the players is also doubled, which more than makes up the difference.

But it is silly to fight against that for too long when the $6-12 game w/ $5 flat rake isn't all that much tougher. $2-4 kind of disappeared around here a couple years ago anyway, $3-6 is the lowest now ($4 rake).

[Jlall]

Stephen Tu, on Jan 25 2010, 11:19 PM, said:

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$4 flat rake seems pretty lol, I don't see how anyone could possibly beat that.

Maybe you are playing too much online and haven't played against live donks enough? With enough 5-6-way raised/capped pots, the average pots can get large enough that it can be overcome. Maybe for only $4/hr though rather than $6.

But it is silly to fight against that for too long when the $6-12 game w/ $5 flat rake isn't all that much tougher. $2-4 kind of disappeared around here a couple years ago anyway, $3-6 is the lowest now ($4 rake).

Yeah I have no live low limit experience, and only a little at Commerce and Bellagio, so I guess I could be underestimating your max potential winrate. $4/hr does sound like what others have said so far...beatable but not worth it heh.

[Mbodell]

Jlall, on Jan 25 2010, 04:40 PM, said:

Raising the turn is pretty lol...

Maybe. In the 2-4 games I've played I'd see enough people on straight draws and other overpairs that I'm not sure it is -EV. It might well be. But I think that is a closer decision than reraising the river.

Obviously against this specific hand you are crushed. I'm not sure you are crushed against the range of hands that bets. (things like 45, 89, 78, JJ, A5 are all betting this way IME).