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#1 User is offline   Dirk Kuijt 

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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:35

Scoring: MP

The bidding goes:
P-P-P-?

The follow up: If you open 1♥ it goes P-1♠-P-? Now what are you worth?

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It is a fact that most people here write as if their opinion is a dogmatic fact.

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My opinion is that this ought to win the award for best self-referential quote of the new year.
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Posted 2010-January-25, 23:51

Dirk Kuijt, on Jan 26 2010, 12:35 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

The bidding goes:
P-P-P-?

The follow up: If you open 1♥ it goes P-1♠-P-? Now what are you worth?

A lot is going to depend on System, but I would:

1. Open 1 HEART.

2. Rebid 3 HEARTS over partner's 1 SPADE.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 02:40

Probably wrong but I'll bid 4♠.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-January-26, 03:51

I open 4♥, I am a simple soul and don't mind overbidding every once in a while.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 03:58

I don't have a single Ace, partner has at most two. Slam requires both a perfect hand from partner and a bad defense. Why then give a chance for opps to get in the bidding? Just open 4♥, and be done with it.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 06:23

yep, 4♥ not perfect because of the stiff King, but opponents will have a blind lead.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 07:37

I think this is a 3♥ bid in fourth seat. That will be high enough to keep the opponents out, but invites partner to bid game with a suitable hand, eg one with two aces.

We might miss some games where he has a perfect spade holding like QJx, but we'll gain on the more frequent occasions when his slow values are in the minors instead.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 10:26

I agree with 3♥ in 4th seat. Consider that there could be two heart losers as well and I don't want to go too crazy. Also this is plenty of preemption considering I don't mind if they bid spades, the opponents are both almost sure to stay out at this high of a level.
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Posted 2010-January-26, 10:31

I would just bid 1H. I have spades so I'm not concerned with preempting them at all. I am more worried about playing 3H-1 when I could have played 2H than I am about the opps bidding 4 of a minor.

4H seems lol, we need a ton for game and we're playing MP, why just decide to go minus a huge portion of the time in 4th seat when we usually get to game by opening 1H anyways?
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Posted 2010-January-26, 10:38

Jlall, on Jan 26 2010, 07:31 PM, said:

I would just bid 1H. I have spades so I'm not concerned with preempting them at all. I am more worried about playing 3H-1 when I could have played 2H than I am about the opps bidding 4 of a minor.

4H seems lol, we need a ton for game and we're playing MP, why just decide to go minus a huge portion of the time in 4th seat when we usually get to game by opening 1H anyways?

Justin raises what I THINK is the critical point:

In order to beat "Pass Out" we need to guaruntee ourselves a positive score. We aren't trying to jam the opponent's auction or make a reasonable pre-sac against their 4m partial.

We need to go positive to beat "Pass"
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Posted 2010-January-26, 12:01

hrothgar, on Jan 26 2010, 06:38 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jan 26 2010, 07:31 PM, said:

I would just bid 1H. I have spades so I'm not concerned with preempting them at all. I am more worried about playing 3H-1 when I could have played 2H than I am about the opps bidding 4 of a minor.

4H seems lol, we need a ton for game and we're playing MP, why just decide to go minus a huge portion of the time in 4th seat when we usually get to game by opening 1H anyways?

Justin raises what I THINK is the critical point:

In order to beat "Pass Out" we need to guaruntee ourselves a positive score. We aren't trying to jam the opponent's auction or make a reasonable pre-sac against their 4m partial.

We need to go positive to beat "Pass"

I think that's too academic when we can say with almost 100% certainty, that "all pass" will be the result at 0 of the other tables. So that can't really be the score to beat.
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