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Scoring: IMP
LHO opens 1♣ in second seat and partner doubles.
First time playing with this partner, so you are not sure his doubling style.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 11:37
LHO opens 1♣ in second seat and partner doubles.
First time playing with this partner, so you are not sure his doubling style.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 11:43
initially thought 2♠... after a brief chat wit MD... maybe a little more :/
i hate this game.
i hate this game.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 11:46
I think it's a maximum 2♠ bid, that is adequate.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 12:36
By FTL lore, placing pard with a 4441, we have a short suit total of -1, meaning game is on with 17-19 working points. We got 8 of those (the spade jack is probably as good as a small one) and pard should have at least as many.
Adding all up, this calls for a 4♠ bid opposite the 4441. Since pard's more likely to have, say, a 4432 or even just 3 spades, 3♠ seems just about par.
Adding all up, this calls for a 4♠ bid opposite the 4441. Since pard's more likely to have, say, a 4432 or even just 3 spades, 3♠ seems just about par.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 12:54
normal 2♠ bid. I play 3♠ as 6 spades with some points in the suits and out, I thought that was normal?
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Posted 2010-January-17, 13:03
I bet if pard is 4441 he won't pass! And if he does, his hand is not comprised entirely of working points.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 13:42
MarkDean, on Jan 17 2010, 12:37 PM, said:
Scoring: IMP
LHO opens 1♣ in second seat and partner doubles.
First time playing with this partner, so you are not sure his doubling style.
I am inclined to bid whatever shows a limit raise in ♠ for me that would be 3♠
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Posted 2010-January-17, 13:47
If I had to make a one-bid decision, I'd bid 4♠, which is likely the right contract.
Deciding what to do with a random partner is tough. Better to know his style and his knowledge of mine.
Deciding what to do with a random partner is tough. Better to know his style and his knowledge of mine.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 22:14
Since when is 3♠ a stronger invitation than 2♠? It shows a different type of hand...
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Posted 2010-January-17, 22:48
Standard 2♠ for me.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 23:14
MarkDean, on Jan 17 2010, 12:37 PM, said:
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LHO opens 1♣ in second seat and partner doubles.
First time playing with this partner, so you are not sure his doubling style.
2s
no problem yet
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Posted 2010-January-17, 23:34
2S. I also agree with Josh's comment that a 3S bid shows a different hand type - a 6th spade to start off with and not in conjunction with the 2 bullets, of course.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 23:45
Simple straightforward 2♠.
Apparently my partners make more subminimum takeout doubles than your partners do, if you think this is the top of the range of 2♠ hands... I'd call it more the middle of the 2♠ range, and a full trick shy of insisting on game.
Apparently my partners make more subminimum takeout doubles than your partners do, if you think this is the top of the range of 2♠ hands... I'd call it more the middle of the 2♠ range, and a full trick shy of insisting on game.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 01:59
We play that 3♠ is stronger than 2♠ , about 9-10 hcp with a 5 card suit.
NF , but highly encouraging. Partner is expected to raise any time he has 4 card support.
Often that 5th ♠ is very important to a doubler who has some moderate extras , but only 3 card ♠ support, and is worried about going on after a 2♠ response.
NF , but highly encouraging. Partner is expected to raise any time he has 4 card support.
Often that 5th ♠ is very important to a doubler who has some moderate extras , but only 3 card ♠ support, and is worried about going on after a 2♠ response.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 02:03
3s=5 spades and 9 hcp...
ok I did not know that.
ok I did not know that.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 03:53
I think 3♠ is like a 2♠ bid but better.
Lawrence doesn't mention the sequence, so far as I can see. Crowhurst (in 1973) noted that traditionally it was a weak one-suiter, but recommended playing it as a stronger version of 2♠. Who else might have written about this sort of sequence?
Lawrence doesn't mention the sequence, so far as I can see. Crowhurst (in 1973) noted that traditionally it was a weak one-suiter, but recommended playing it as a stronger version of 2♠. Who else might have written about this sort of sequence?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-18, 04:04
everyone thought I was insane when I suggested a simple jump to 2M should somehow show 5 cards. looks like because everyone always jumps to 3M? (plz don't take my post seriously, especially the everyone).
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Posted 2010-January-18, 04:22
the french style we adopted is that 2♠ i sexactly 4 cards and 8-11 and 3♠ is 5 cards 8-11
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Posted 2010-January-18, 04:39
well I just don't see why do I need to force to the 3 level if I have 5 cards and a decent hand. Partner's spade expectancy is closer to 3 than 4 if we have 5 cards (unless partner doesn't like to double very often) so it's against the law.
/* here could come a section where I show a hand with Kxx of spades and opps can't make anything on even the 2 level and 3♠ goes 2 off, preferably doubled. then someone would reply with a 3451 13 count and we just missed a grand slam and we are playing on the 2 level, but then I would say yes but partner could easily have a 3433 12 count with xxx of clubs so why don't we cater to that instead and then people would reply that doubling with that is insane and I would say that yes but look at this example hand where we just lost a double game swing because our failure to x. then we'd agree that the frequency is the most important but nobody would agree on which is more frequent. so I will not open this section */
/* here could come a section where I show a hand with Kxx of spades and opps can't make anything on even the 2 level and 3♠ goes 2 off, preferably doubled. then someone would reply with a 3451 13 count and we just missed a grand slam and we are playing on the 2 level, but then I would say yes but partner could easily have a 3433 12 count with xxx of clubs so why don't we cater to that instead and then people would reply that doubling with that is insane and I would say that yes but look at this example hand where we just lost a double game swing because our failure to x. then we'd agree that the frequency is the most important but nobody would agree on which is more frequent. so I will not open this section */
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
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